Depressed Medication

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Squiggles.  (Of course, as always, this is only MY OPINION.   I do not mean it that you are having problems as such with your particular relationship with your husband, but this, I think, is important to think about.) I am sorry you are not getting the affection you need.  I have to literally go up to my husband, open up my arms, and ask him for a hug.  Men get into their jobs and "man things" such as sports, etc., so much that the affection bit passes them by.  They have a tendency to think every contact has to end in sex.  I am NOT KNOCKING men.  That’s the way they are, bless their little hearts. Lack of AFFECTION, as such should not be construed as lack of LOVE.  Men are just different from women.  Honestly, we have to swallow our pride and ask for contact. The very LAST THING we who have syndromes and disabilities need is to alienate our spouses.  WE NEED OUR SPOUSES at all costs.  We must try very hard to hang onto them and not alienate them.  I read books constantly regarding relationships and if I DID have a problem with my relationship with my husband, I would ask for psychological help along with my med help immediately. In my medical transcription job, I see what happens to women who end up alone with a bipolar or schizoid-type disease.  It’s not pretty. — Val in Boise

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Ewww.  Squiggles.  Snakes across the back of your neck trying to get to your brain!!! You should write a horror story about that.  It could be that when the snakes finally get to your brain, you get the symptoms you describe. Ewww.  Maybe the snakes are still in your brain just waiting to emerge again.  Ewww. — Val in Boise

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Squiggles.  (Of course, as always, this is only MY OPINION.   I do not mean > it that you are having problems as such with your particular relationship > with your husband, but this, I think, is important to think about.) > I am sorry you are not getting the affection you need.  I have to literally > go up to my husband, open up my arms, and ask him for a hug.  Men get into > their jobs and "man things" such as sports, etc., so much that the affection > bit passes them by.  They have a tendency to think every contact has to end > in sex.  I am NOT KNOCKING men.  That’s the way they are, bless their little > hearts. > Lack of AFFECTION, as such should not be construed as lack of LOVE.  Men are > just different from women.  Honestly, we have to swallow our pride and ask > for contact. > The very LAST THING we who have syndromes and disabilities need is to > alienate our spouses.  WE NEED OUR SPOUSES at all costs.  We must try very > hard to hang onto them and not alienate them.  I read books constantly > regarding relationships and if I DID have a problem with my relationship > with my husband, I would ask for psychological help along with my med help > immediately. > In my medical transcription job, I see what happens to women who end up > alone with a bipolar or schizoid-type disease.  It’s not pretty. > — > Val in Boise

LOL – thanks Val; well, I guess I’m different.   First, sex is enough for me, and second, regarding affection, we now have a dog, LOL. thank you – teasing/ Squiggles — Facts are not fluffy.              - Squiggles

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> Ewww.  Squiggles.  Snakes across the back of your neck trying to get to your > brain!!! > You should write a horror story about that.  It could be that when the > snakes finally get to your brain, you get the symptoms you describe. > Ewww.  Maybe the snakes are still in your brain just waiting to emerge > again.  Ewww. > — > Val in Boise

No, eels, eels NOT snakes – sheesh; you’re starting to get trollitis.  Take a break. Squiggles

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"BiPolarBear" wrote > {{{{TK}}}} > hugs right back to ‘ya…

Awww thanks… Much needed these days… {{{{{ warm hugs }}}}} > been lurking and waiting for the murky waters to clear a bit…wow, what a > bunch of poisonous venom was churning, eh?

Yup… Sad but true. Seems plenty of the regulars have dropped out because of it too. Which is very sad – we need differentiated voices here, some wise people, some fun people, some caring people, some depressed and some manic, some sharing their personal experiences and some giving advice. There’s been a really good balance of that earlier but now it feels like important aspects of the balance has fallen out and… well, something is MISSING… *sigh* > Once I stopped the Risperdal, and now am just on Lithobid and Celexa, the > vertigo has stopped,

Ah I am so glad to hear that > but I am on an aspirin a day due to the mini-stroke I > had…i think from Risperdal…until I see the neuro doc about the 2 MRIs I > had…

I am so sorry to hear about your mini-stroke. I hope you’re okay… {{{{{{bpb}}}}} > anyway, still quite horny….my testosterone level, instead of going > down with Aldactone, went UP…am in a non-touching marriage and that is > driving me crazy more than anything…we are in therapy, but haven’t touched > the core issues yet. I am not sure we will last. After all, I am a woman, > w-o-m-a-n, I’ll say it again….and I NEED physical attention…nuff said.

( That sounds so difficult…. Thinking of you… {{{{{{ bpb }}}}}} Lots of comfort hugs, TK

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> I hadn’t typed much at all since High School and I never write letters. This > is therapy for me to be able to type what I create here on this screen (and > learning to cut & paste & post articles..and debug my damn Outlook Express > in a perpetually crashing machine.) My handwriting became extremely > illegible following onslaught of extremely heavy doses of anti-psychotics > that almost killed me. Who would believe that I would need my intestines > operated on to relieve the blockage because medications had slowed my > digestion to nothing?  NOBODY!!

sorry; What meds slowed down your digestion – I’m really curious. Squiggles

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Hi BP Bear, Thanks for replying on this. First, about the lack of affection, which I am sure would help immensely, why not just ask your SO or bring it up as an important thing for you.  Sometimes the other person is not aware for many distracting reasons. About your TIA, I thought mine was a TIA too as it only lasted for about 5 minutes; however, it was much more serious in the way it felt. At first I felt "snake like" sensations through the back of the neck (in Benzo jargon we named them "electric eels").  These "snakes" started to move up my head in the back centre.  OK – I had felt that before, I was near 0 withdrawal so almost there. But, they did not stop.  They picked up and became fiery and started to travel *all* around the head until the whole head seemed on fire.  Then a concentrated axe like sensation hit me right in the centre of the back of the head. I lost memory for a short while, and after that I was very ill. At first I could not walk without stumbling, I had severe changed in temperature, and sweats, I could not sleep in the same way anymore, falling asleep just standing up, waking up into a dreaded pain, and my head could not touch the pillow as it hurt so much. My pupils would not change size for about two weeks – they were fixed pin point;   I still have residual effects from that, and I can tell you it was not just w/d (though my doc said it was due to w/d) – this incident was different from the year long withdrawal. Maybe it was peculiar to clonazepam w/d.  Someone once posted a very good article on a similar experience and I have lost the paper. Unfortunately, I wanted to show it to my doctor. I think my mother was very scared. We are blessed when we are hit with familiar ailments, right? Squiggles – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well, the "incident" happened on 3/16/02…we were at dinner…I had vertigo > and a different kind of dizziness every day…at that time on Risperdal, > Topamax, Aldactone, Prozac…and a bunch of other stuff for thyroid, asthma, > etc…and vitamins. Anyway, at dinner, the vertigo hit me hard, my pulse > went up, I leaned over on my sister and said, Wow, if this gets worse, I may > have to go see a doctor…she got scared….then I knew that my leg would > not work…I told my husband and brother in law that I would need help to > the car…oh, and also, my speech was slurred….so, they helped me to the > car and I could hear people snickering in the waiting area of the > restuarant, thinking I was dead drunk…symptoms lasted a few hours, went to > sleep and pretty ok the next day. > MRI on 4/13 and 4/20…showed "white spots" that could be ischemia (a TIA or > transient ischemic attack, which is a mini-stroke), or MS (I don’t fit the > profile and have no symptoms), Lyme’s disease…not bitten by a tick, nor > had any of the flu-like symptoms.  Saw my pdoc with the reports and he said, > looks like you have had a series of mini-strokes…take an aspirin a day and > see the neuro doc. > Meanwhile, I have gone back to teaching, not feeling that great…have had a > kind of "pressure" in the center of my head, not quite a headache but on the > border of one… > Husband is distant…I think I need to find some affection somewhere…but > scared to reach out and get in trouble…but I don’t consider affection a > luxury…I really NEED some right now!!!! > bpb > > {{{{TK}}}} > > hugs right back to ‘ya… > > been lurking and waiting for the murky waters to clear a bit…wow, what > a > > bunch of poisonous venom was churning, eh? > > Once I stopped the Risperdal, and now am just on Lithobid and Celexa, > the > > vertigo has stopped, but I am on an aspirin a day due to the mini-stroke > I > > had…i think from Risperdal…until I see the neuro doc about the 2 > MRIs I > > had…anyway, still quite horny….my testosterone level, instead of > going > > down with Aldactone, went UP…am in a non-touching marriage and that is > > driving me crazy more than anything…we are in therapy, but haven’t > touched > > the core issues yet. I am not sure we will last. After all, I am a > woman, > > w-o-m-a-n, I’ll say it again….and I NEED physical attention…nuff > said.

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Hey mate – good to see you again! How are you doing these days? Hugs, TK

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hear, hear, SqUiGgLeS!! > I join you in that resolve! > I was dx’d in Feb., been through four med trials…got vertigo, and a > possible mini-stroke from one of the meds…and now am more confused than > ever. > Maybe a life of ups and downs wasn’t that bad after all…? > bpb > Do any of you people writing on these on a daily basis > feel that you have finally arrived at so much information > regarding drugs, medical treatment, misdiagnosis, misinformation, > scare mongering, etc., that you just cannot arrive at a certain > conclusion anymore? > That’s what has happened to me.  I read a lot of reports, > but the medical information that I read is too complext and > far to esoteric for me to actually disgard or accept. > Do you have that problem? > And what is to be done – I mean not everyone on the net > is a doctor.  You could be listening to propaganda, or > you could be listening to corrupt drug company info., or > you could be accepting a misinformed doctor’s opinion. > I really have come to the point where I feel I know less > now than I did when I got on the net for these topics. > I resolve to doubt everything. > Squiggles

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> Yep.. diet and exercise and relaxation… cheaper and more effective than > drugchiatry..

And posting negative stuff.  That helps to relax as well

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>And posting negative stuff.  That helps to relax as well > Damn, you must be melting in your chair!

Yeah, all that quoting trolls I do!

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{{{{TK}}}} hugs right back to ‘ya… been lurking and waiting for the murky waters to clear a bit…wow, what a bunch of poisonous venom was churning, eh? Once I stopped the Risperdal, and now am just on Lithobid and Celexa, the vertigo has stopped, but I am on an aspirin a day due to the mini-stroke I had…i think from Risperdal…until I see the neuro doc about the 2 MRIs I had…anyway, still quite horny….my testosterone level, instead of going down with Aldactone, went UP…am in a non-touching marriage and that is driving me crazy more than anything…we are in therapy, but haven’t touched the core issues yet. I am not sure we will last. After all, I am a woman, w-o-m-a-n, I’ll say it again….and I NEED physical attention…nuff said. bpb

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey mate – good to see you again! > How are you doing these days? > Hugs, > TK > Hear, hear, SqUiGgLeS!! > I join you in that resolve! > I was dx’d in Feb., been through four med trials…got vertigo, and a > possible mini-stroke from one of the meds…and now am more confused than > ever. > Maybe a life of ups and downs wasn’t that bad after all…? > bpb > > Do any of you people writing on these on a daily basis > > feel that you have finally arrived at so much information > > regarding drugs, medical treatment, misdiagnosis, misinformation, > > scare mongering, etc., that you just cannot arrive at a certain > > conclusion anymore? > > That’s what has happened to me.  I read a lot of reports, > > but the medical information that I read is too complext and > > far to esoteric for me to actually disgard or accept. > > Do you have that problem? > > And what is to be done – I mean not everyone on the net > > is a doctor.  You could be listening to propaganda, or > > you could be listening to corrupt drug company info., or > > you could be accepting a misinformed doctor’s opinion. > > I really have come to the point where I feel I know less > > now than I did when I got on the net for these topics. > > I resolve to doubt everything. > > Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > {{{{TK}}}} > hugs right back to ‘ya… > been lurking and waiting for the murky waters to clear a bit…wow, what a > bunch of poisonous venom was churning, eh? > Once I stopped the Risperdal, and now am just on Lithobid and Celexa, the > vertigo has stopped, but I am on an aspirin a day due to the mini-stroke I > had…i think from Risperdal…until I see the neuro doc about the 2 MRIs I > had…anyway, still quite horny….my testosterone level, instead of going > down with Aldactone, went UP…am in a non-touching marriage and that is > driving me crazy more than anything…we are in therapy, but haven’t touched > the core issues yet. I am not sure we will last. After all, I am a woman, > w-o-m-a-n, I’ll say it again….and I NEED physical attention…nuff said.

Hi Bipolar, Your MRI interests me; because I am quite sure I had a stroke from withdrawal (Klonopin – after a lengthy and painful try); ironically, I was so sick from the stroke or seizure whatever, that I could not get out of bed for a month except to do the necessities.  A private call-in doctor came and ordered X-rays, EEG and EMG which were taken about 3 months later; I still have residual peripheral neuropathy which the neurologist ruled out as being due to carpal tunnel, and my own doc. ruled out diabetes – i think it was the withdrawal; So, my question is — how long after was yours taken? Anyway, with all these medical problems, you can’t really expect much more than some emotional stability and affection – I think anything beyond is a luxury when there are troubled times. tx Squiggles

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>Your MRI interests me; because I am quite sure I had >a stroke from withdrawal > Bullshit – you have posted otherwise.

Now this is nasty!  The woman said she had a stroke from a withdrawal.  Can we just take her word for it?

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I hadn’t typed much at all since High School and I never write letters. This is therapy for me to be able to type what I create here on this screen (and learning to cut & paste & post articles..and debug my damn Outlook Express in a perpetually crashing machine.) My handwriting became extremely illegible following onslaught of extremely heavy doses of anti-psychotics that almost killed me. Who would believe that I would need my intestines operated on to relieve the blockage because medications had slowed my digestion to nothing?  NOBODY!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Squiggles, you and I have seen each other bounce around here like ping-pong > balls over the last year or so.  Information does the same thing.  At least > we can admit that we are still sane enough to be able to absorb the > information.  LOL. > Carrie, > I agree with you Carrie; a person who is totally schizoid or > out to lunch will not be able to write a coherent sentence; > I know that just before being given lithium, the only thing > I could possibly have the will or the reason to do was throw > myself in front of a car. > Still, there is corruption in every human endeavour, and > it should not be suprising that the critics of drug companies > may have *some* good reason to criticize (see David Healy) – that’s > for sure. > Here is a little ditty by Bertie (the certainty part may be pertinent); > you can look at some other philosophers of knowledge and science > for the problem of predictability, e.g. Popper. > http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/russell… > Squiggles

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Well, the "incident" happened on 3/16/02…we were at dinner…I had vertigo and a different kind of dizziness every day…at that time on Risperdal, Topamax, Aldactone, Prozac…and a bunch of other stuff for thyroid, asthma, etc…and vitamins. Anyway, at dinner, the vertigo hit me hard, my pulse went up, I leaned over on my sister and said, Wow, if this gets worse, I may have to go see a doctor…she got scared….then I knew that my leg would not work…I told my husband and brother in law that I would need help to the car…oh, and also, my speech was slurred….so, they helped me to the car and I could hear people snickering in the waiting area of the restuarant, thinking I was dead drunk…symptoms lasted a few hours, went to sleep and pretty ok the next day. MRI on 4/13 and 4/20…showed "white spots" that could be ischemia (a TIA or transient ischemic attack, which is a mini-stroke), or MS (I don’t fit the profile and have no symptoms), Lyme’s disease…not bitten by a tick, nor had any of the flu-like symptoms.  Saw my pdoc with the reports and he said, looks like you have had a series of mini-strokes…take an aspirin a day and see the neuro doc. Meanwhile, I have gone back to teaching, not feeling that great…have had a kind of "pressure" in the center of my head, not quite a headache but on the border of one… Husband is distant…I think I need to find some affection somewhere…but scared to reach out and get in trouble…but I don’t consider affection a luxury…I really NEED some right now!!!! bpb

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> {{{{TK}}}} > hugs right back to ‘ya… > been lurking and waiting for the murky waters to clear a bit…wow, what a > bunch of poisonous venom was churning, eh? > Once I stopped the Risperdal, and now am just on Lithobid and Celexa, the > vertigo has stopped, but I am on an aspirin a day due to the mini-stroke I > had…i think from Risperdal…until I see the neuro doc about the 2 MRIs I > had…anyway, still quite horny….my testosterone level, instead of going > down with Aldactone, went UP…am in a non-touching marriage and that is > driving me crazy more than anything…we are in therapy, but haven’t touched > the core issues yet. I am not sure we will last. After all, I am a woman, > w-o-m-a-n, I’ll say it again….and I NEED physical attention…nuff said. > Hi Bipolar, > Your MRI interests me; because I am quite sure I had > a stroke from withdrawal (Klonopin – after a lengthy > and painful try); ironically, I was so sick from the > stroke or seizure whatever, that I could not get out > of bed for a month except to do the necessities.  A > private call-in doctor came and ordered X-rays, EEG > and EMG which were taken about 3 months later; I still > have residual peripheral neuropathy which the neurologist > ruled out as being due to carpal tunnel, and my own doc. > ruled out diabetes – i think it was the withdrawal; > So, my question is — how long after was yours taken? > Anyway, with all these medical problems, you can’t really > expect much more than some emotional stability and > affection – I think anything beyond is a luxury when > there are troubled times. > tx > Squiggles

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> >Your MRI interests me; because I am quite sure I had >a stroke from withdrawal > Bullshit – you have posted otherwise.

– Huh? Please explain. Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Regarding too much information. > No, I don’t think there COULD BE too much information as long as people are > different from each other.  The more we learn, the more we can apply it to > our own needs. > Also, things change so much from time to time.  Basically, while doctors try > to help us, they really are only experimenting on symptoms.  Things change > daily.  Serzone was prescribed heavily a while back and now it is like > poison. > Docs are not experimenting on using antipsychotic meds on bipolars and major > depressed. > The docs I work with were very excited when Geodon came out.  Oh, boy, > Zyprexa that only has to be taken once a day.  They found out in short time > that it caused the kids to be angry and violent.  Ya just never know. > Val in Boise

Well, yeah, I see your point Val; but there is *so* much information, and so little criteria to judge these meds and treatments; and with the proliferation of non-animal tested drugs, or quickly tested drugs, the people taking them are the ones who can give subjective reports; but even that information becomes dubious because of interpretation.  And intepretation can take many forms linguistically and statistically on account of interests.  In other words, it is hard to get to the truth more and more.  This is why not only I but my husband trust the old drugs, e.g. lithium. Squiggles — Facts are not fluffy.              - Squiggles

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Regarding too much information. No, I don’t think there COULD BE too much information as long as people are different from each other.  The more we learn, the more we can apply it to our own needs. Also, things change so much from time to time.  Basically, while doctors try to help us, they really are only experimenting on symptoms.  Things change daily.  Serzone was prescribed heavily a while back and now it is like poison. Docs are not experimenting on using antipsychotic meds on bipolars and major depressed. The docs I work with were very excited when Geodon came out.  Oh, boy, Zyprexa that only has to be taken once a day.  They found out in short time that it caused the kids to be angry and violent.  Ya just never know. Val in Boise

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Hear, hear, SqUiGgLeS!! I join you in that resolve! I was dx’d in Feb., been through four med trials…got vertigo, and a possible mini-stroke from one of the meds…and now am more confused than ever. Maybe a life of ups and downs wasn’t that bad after all…? bpb

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do any of you people writing on these on a daily basis > feel that you have finally arrived at so much information > regarding drugs, medical treatment, misdiagnosis, misinformation, > scare mongering, etc., that you just cannot arrive at a certain > conclusion anymore? > That’s what has happened to me.  I read a lot of reports, > but the medical information that I read is too complext and > far to esoteric for me to actually disgard or accept. > Do you have that problem? > And what is to be done – I mean not everyone on the net > is a doctor.  You could be listening to propaganda, or > you could be listening to corrupt drug company info., or > you could be accepting a misinformed doctor’s opinion. > I really have come to the point where I feel I know less > now than I did when I got on the net for these topics. > I resolve to doubt everything. > Squiggles

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> Squiggles, you and I have seen each other bounce around here like ping-pong > balls over the last year or so.  Information does the same thing.  At least > we can admit that we are still sane enough to be able to absorb the > information.  LOL.

Carrie, I agree with you Carrie; a person who is totally schizoid or out to lunch will not be able to write a coherent sentence; I know that just before being given lithium, the only thing I could possibly have the will or the reason to do was throw myself in front of a car. Still, there is corruption in every human endeavour, and it should not be suprising that the critics of drug companies may have *some* good reason to criticize (see David Healy) – that’s for sure.   Here is a little ditty by Bertie (the certainty part may be pertinent); you can look at some other philosophers of knowledge and science for the problem of predictability, e.g. Popper. http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/russell… Squiggles

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Did someone say to much information? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SqUiGgLeS >Do any of you people writing on these on a daily basis >feel that you have finally arrived at so much information >regarding drugs, medical treatment, misdiagnosis, misinformation, >scare mongering, etc., that you just cannot arrive at a certain >conclusion anymore? > There is no drug that can cure modern psychiatry. This is a profession > that is close to routinely practicing medical terrorism by shamelessly > over-prescribing drugs to people of all ages, often for phantom > diseases and for purposes that have no rational basis in science. > What’s needed is something akin to a War Crimes Tribunal to > investigate psychiatry’s relationship to major pharmaceutical > companies. Haul all the big product champions and psychiatry > associations in and determine their involvement with money-grubbing > schemes and the abuse of patients. And let me re-emphasize this point: > this is a medical specialty that is second to none in ripping off and > abusing patients. > The situation has long been out-of-control. It is no longer a matter > of a few bad apples screwing everyone left and right. It’s become a > full-scale assault on humanity. > The sad part of this story is that some people with moderate problems > can be helped – however scattershot the effects of various drugs on > the brain are – when thoughtful doctors truly prescribe carefully and > conservatively and cut back or stop the medication at the first signs > that there are problems brewing. But that’s not how she blows. > Psychiatric drug prescription has become a free-for-all. > The companies are very bold about their products because they know > they have a sizeable portion of the so-called "profession" on the > take. They have bought the opinion leaders. They have bought the > journals, the editors and reviewers and they have bought the science. > They have made peer review a joke. The companies know that these > drones will come out of hiding at the drop of a dollar bill and defend > the product unequivocally and also attack those who have the nerve to > raise fundamental questions about prescribing habits. > Which brings to mind an incident that occurred when Dr. Joseph > Glenmullen, wrote a book a couple of years ago called Prozac Backlash. > Not a bought physician, Glenmullen raised some important issues about > Prozac, including the fact that the numerous side-effects of Prozac > and the other antidepressants are very poorly tracked. In other words, > pepper patients with drugs and then forget about what may be happening > to them. > I got interested in the book because I have, over the years, found so > few doctors willing to raise issues, particularly those that challenge > drug companies. > Eli Lilly and company, Prozac’s manufacturer, denounced the book as > loaded with "omissions," "half-truths," and "anecdotes." > I contacted Eli Lilly about their claims and they referred me to > several "impartial" doctors who could comment on Glenmullen’s claims. > One of them told me that there were "gross exaggerations" in the book, > although after hitting him with some direct questions, he fessed up > that he had only skimmed about 70 of the 386 pages. This "bought" bozo > was obviously shilling for Eli Lilly. And so were the other two drones > who I interviewed. > On the subject of Eli Lilly, I once received a call from a company > bigwig after I produced a piece on Prozac for World News Tonight With > Peter Jennings. The report essentially indicated that much of Prozac’s > action could be explained away as being no more stirring than what > could be expected from a placebo. The caller tried to intimidate me. > You know, Mr. Offended. My Drug Company I Live For Thee. I told him > that if he had contrary data that he should ship it to us at World > News immediately. That had pretty much the same effect as telling him > to take a hike. > This is what it has come to: a huge marketing enterprise that tries to > control the reality surrounding what little science there is to prove > its product claims. Add to the recipe all the "professional" > sycophants and movers-and-groovers with their grubby little hands held > out for their next perks, and that’s modern psychiatry. > Back in the 70s, there was indeed a sign of hope that this > "profession" could make great progress. Moderately-effective drugs > began to appear on the market. But unfortunately, the brain, that > extraordinarily complex communications system, in our skull has proved > to be much more protective of its secrets, and remains poorly > understood. > At a time when it appeared that brain science would rapidly begin to > unlock some of those secrets, psychiatry got bold and became co-opted > by a drug industry that behaved as though some of the mysteries had > actually been solved. And that co-optation is at the heart of > psychiatry’s grand collapse. > It opted for filthy bucks and lies, and the inevitable explosion of > drug prescriptions, rather than slow and careful progress. > Is it any surprise that the "profession" has gone full-tilt at > children? The vast overprescription of Ritalin and other mind drugs to > kids, even babies, is an obvious indication of just how far the > corruption has festered in psychiatry. Children with problems that > often may be related to bad home environments and rotten teaching are > now being criminally abused with Ritalin. Given half a chance, modern > psychiatry will have 50 per cent or more of school kids on attention > deficit disorder-type drugs before long. In one recent report from the > National Institute of Environmental Health Resources, as merely one > example, "more than 15 per cent of boys in grades one through five had > been diagnosed with ADHD and about 10 per cent (or two-thirds of those > diagnosed) were taking medication. > The American Psychiatric Association, a whorish group with huge ties > to industry, has been claiming that three to four percent of those > kids werediagnosed as ADHD. > In fact, bring on a War Crimes Tribunal, first for the abusive > prescription of Ritalin and then let’s work our way through the > abusive prescription of antidepressants. > — > Psychiatry is to Science > as Astrology is to Astronomy

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Do any of you people writing on these on a daily basis feel that you have finally arrived at so much information regarding drugs, medical treatment, misdiagnosis, misinformation, scare mongering, etc., that you just cannot arrive at a certain conclusion anymore? That’s what has happened to me.  I read a lot of reports, but the medical information that I read is too complext and far to esoteric for me to actually disgard or accept. Do you have that problem? And what is to be done – I mean not everyone on the net is a doctor.  You could be listening to propaganda, or you could be listening to corrupt drug company info., or you could be accepting a misinformed doctor’s opinion. I really have come to the point where I feel I know less now than I did when I got on the net for these topics. I resolve to doubt everything. Squiggles

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do any of you people writing on these on a daily basis > feel that you have finally arrived at so much information > regarding drugs, medical treatment, misdiagnosis, misinformation, > scare mongering, etc., that you just cannot arrive at a certain > conclusion anymore? > That’s what has happened to me.  I read a lot of reports, > but the medical information that I read is too complext and > far to esoteric for me to actually disgard or accept. > Do you have that problem? > And what is to be done – I mean not everyone on the net > is a doctor.  You could be listening to propaganda, or > you could be listening to corrupt drug company info., or > you could be accepting a misinformed doctor’s opinion. > I really have come to the point where I feel I know less > now than I did when I got on the net for these topics. > I resolve to doubt everything. > Squiggles

Yes, I feel like I don’t really know anything.  As soon as I resolve to have something pinned down……bonk…..it swings around to the opposite side again. Even myself.  I feel just totally normal now.  Meds are perfect.  When I feel a little down, that’s what it is, just a little down and I pick up later.  Down is not completely suicidal.  My mood swings are not on a grand scale ~ just normal again like other folk.  But, and this is the twister, will these meds crap out? What I’ve learned from all the info I’ve taken in, is to take it for what it is worth ~ information. Squiggles, you and I have seen each other bounce around here like ping-pong balls over the last year or so.  Information does the same thing.  At least we can admit that we are still sane enough to be able to absorb the information.  LOL. Carrie ;-

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