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I have had P for about 35 years.  During that time I have had bouts of PA  in multiple joints with self limiting duration.  It seems that in the last 5 years after having had stomach surgery and not allowed to take NSAID’s for the arthritis, I have developed a pretty severe case of Fibromyalgia.  My Rhematologist think the Fibromyalgia is related the PA and has just started me on Enbrel….took my first shot today. I am taking narcotics and anti-anxiety meds now to cope with daily life, especially at night.  Have been through the gamut of antidepressants but side effects have lead me away from all of them.   I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with Enbrel and Fibromyalgia… I hope this helps, but I am used to failure. H

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>I was just wondering if anyone has any experience with Enbrel and >Fibromyalgia… I hope this helps, but I am used to failure.

Nothing firsthand, but I see on the fibro group that they’ve been trying Enbrel there for several years now.  Maybe you’ve used up all the bad luck and this one will work for you, here’s hoping! J.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> are you taking any other meds? > lamictal doesnt usually cause weight gain, but all meds can have an > effect on your liver – and therefore on your metabolism… > i havent heard any medical reports of this… but thats no reason to say > it doesnt… it’d be worth asking your pdoc…. > have you been depressed?… sometimes depression, even though you havent > changed eating patterns, can cause a little bit of weight gain because > of the reduced activity….. 7 pounds isnt much, maybe a light exercise > plan might help, i find it helps lots with the depression / mania too.. > uhh that is when i do it… ;-/… > i gained a lot of weight on trycyclic antidepressants a few years ago > and went on lamictal and zoloft specifically cos they’re not known to > enourage weight gain… > hth > m~ > I’ve been on a low dose of Lamictal for 2+ years.  In the last year I am > suddenly gaining wieght and realized I’ve gained about 7 pounds in 13 > months and I don’t really have another reason to which to attribute it. > Might lamictal cause weight gain and might it do so after taking it for > an extended period of time? > TIA > Louise

Thanks – I too gained a lot of weight years ago on elavil and then about 3 years ago, on Luvox. I was just worried that the Lamictal could be having the same effect.   You are correct though, that my activity level has been slightly reduced due to knee surgery a little over a year ago and that may be the cause. Louise

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I’ve been on a low dose of Lamictal for 2+ years.  In the last year I am suddenly gaining wieght and realized I’ve gained about 7 pounds in 13 months and I don’t really have another reason to which to attribute it. Might lamictal cause weight gain and might it do so after taking it for an extended period of time? TIA Louise

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are you taking any other meds? lamictal doesnt usually cause weight gain, but all meds can have an effect on your liver – and therefore on your metabolism… i havent heard any medical reports of this… but thats no reason to say it doesnt… it’d be worth asking your pdoc…. have you been depressed?… sometimes depression, even though you havent changed eating patterns, can cause a little bit of weight gain because of the reduced activity….. 7 pounds isnt much, maybe a light exercise plan might help, i find it helps lots with the depression / mania too.. uhh that is when i do it… ;-/… i gained a lot of weight on trycyclic antidepressants a few years ago and went on lamictal and zoloft specifically cos they’re not known to enourage weight gain… hth m~ > I’ve been on a low dose of Lamictal for 2+ years.  In the last year I am > suddenly gaining wieght and realized I’ve gained about 7 pounds in 13 > months and I don’t really have another reason to which to attribute it. > Might lamictal cause weight gain and might it do so after taking it for > an extended period of time? > TIA > Louise

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HELP!!!         I am taking a number of medications and getting several disturbing side effects going on. First, the dry mouth, this drives me NUTS and I have heard its how your teeth become so weak. I have had this a long time, tried many things, drinking a lot of water, and eating hard candy help produce more saliva. There must be a better way to handle this, any ideas?         The other is hot flashes, and profuse sweating, I’ve never been so sweaty, even when I was pregnant. I could have sworn someone brought this up before and there was a medicine that helped?         OK, third thing, I have noticed some loss of interest in sex, I am not too concerned yet, but I’m worried about all these side effects getting worse. If you have any ideas, suggestions or know of You can always e-mail me too at

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P112-no way of assessing medication problems without knowing what the medication regimen consists of, and the dosages taken Sorry Dave/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HELP!!! > I am taking a number of medications and getting several disturbing side > effects going on. First, the dry mouth, this drives me NUTS and I have heard > its how your teeth become so weak. I have had this a long time, tried many > things, drinking a lot of water, and eating hard candy help produce more > saliva. There must be a better way to handle this, any ideas? > The other is hot flashes, and profuse sweating, I’ve never been so sweaty, > even when I was pregnant. I could have sworn someone brought this up before and > there was a medicine that helped? > OK, third thing, I have noticed some loss of interest in sex, I am not too > concerned yet, but I’m worried about all these side effects getting worse. If > you have any ideas, suggestions or know of You can always e-mail me too at

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1. Dry mouth…from the opiates giving you anti-cholinergic side-effects. Not much to do except learn to deal with it.  Hard lemon drops help…anything sour.  Make sure you brush your teeth well with a fluoridated toothpaste twice a day and use a good rinse as well. 2. Sweating…again from the opiates…talk to your doc about Catapress TTS patch 0.1 mg/day or Robinul Forte…try the former before the latter. 3. Loss of interest…again from the opiates…you need testosterone.  Have your doc try EstraTest or, if you have a progressive doc, have him implant a 75 mg pellet of testosterone into a paralumbar fat pad.  In addition, transdermal GHRH therapy does wonders for the libido. — Bill Work This communication is intended to provide general information, and in no way is a substitute for face-to-face medical care.  No implication of a doctor-patient relationship should be assumed by the reader.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HELP!!! > I am taking a number of medications and getting several disturbing side > effects going on. First, the dry mouth, this drives me NUTS and I have heard > its how your teeth become so weak. I have had this a long time, tried many > things, drinking a lot of water, and eating hard candy help produce more > saliva. There must be a better way to handle this, any ideas? > The other is hot flashes, and profuse sweating, I’ve never been so sweaty, > even when I was pregnant. I could have sworn someone brought this up before and > there was a medicine that helped? > OK, third thing, I have noticed some loss of interest in sex, I am not too > concerned yet, but I’m worried about all these side effects getting worse. If > you have any ideas, suggestions or know of You can always e-mail me too at

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Just an "iddity-bitty" amount…75 mg pellet for 3 months vs 600 mg in a male for 3 months.  All the positives without the hair growing contests…only one problem…if the woman responds *too* well, we can’t go in and get it back out of her…she will have to "ride it out" (no pun intended…not).  It has happened only once before…spouse stated that he couldn’t even begin to attempt to keep up with her…he told her to not only start without him but to write him a letter about it since he can’t be there! — Bill Work This communication is intended to provide general information, and in no way is a substitute for face-to-face medical care.  No implication of a doctor-patient relationship should be assumed by the reader.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Testosterone therapy for a female? >1. Dry mouth…from the opiates giving you anti-cholinergic side-effects. >Not much to do except learn to deal with it.  Hard lemon drops >help…anything sour.  Make sure you brush your teeth well with a >fluoridated toothpaste twice a day and use a good rinse as well. >2. Sweating…again from the opiates…talk to your doc about Catapress TTS >patch 0.1 mg/day or Robinul Forte…try the former before the latter. >3. Loss of interest…again from the opiates…you need testosterone. Have >your doc try EstraTest or, if you have a progressive doc, have him implant a >75 mg pellet of testosterone into a paralumbar fat pad.  In addition, >transdermal GHRH therapy does wonders for the libido. >– >Bill Work >This communication is intended to provide general information, and in no >way is a substitute for face-to-face medical care.  No implication of a >doctor-patient relationship should be assumed by the reader. >> HELP!!! >> I am taking a number of medications and getting several disturbing side >> effects going on. First, the dry mouth, this drives me NUTS and I have >heard >> its how your teeth become so weak. I have had this a long time, tried many >> things, drinking a lot of water, and eating hard candy help produce more >> saliva. There must be a better way to handle this, any ideas? >> The other is hot flashes, and profuse sweating, I’ve never been so sweaty, >> even when I was pregnant. I could have sworn someone brought this up >before and >> there was a medicine that helped? >> OK, third thing, I have noticed some loss of interest in sex, I am not too >> concerned yet, but I’m worried about all these side effects getting worse. >If >> you have any ideas, suggestions or know of You can always e-mail me too at

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Horny hormone????  I tried it  (post meno)  I gave it a good try and all it did was cause me to get zits.   Not everything works as stated   :-( I am waiting with baited breath for woman’s Viagra to be approved.  I think the woman who are testing it out for the FDA are having just too much fun…  BEG Ronnie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->on their opinion by saying: >>Testosterone therapy for a female? >You betcha Zig.  A woman without testosterone (the horny hormone) will >have little to no sex drive and experience great difficulty in >attaining an orgasm.  While they don’t need it at the same levels we >do (they start growing facial hair) they do in fact need it for their >sexual side. > So all those frigid women who slapped me when I asked for sex were > really just low on testosterone? > Just kidding, for the humor impaired. :)

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Thank you so much for the information! I sincerely appreciate it and hopefully, I can get my life back to a semi normal stage. I really didnt want to say, but I am on Oxycontin 80 mgs a day and also Oxy IR for breakthrough. I also take Neurontin, Zoloft,Xanax and Imetrex.  Thank you again, its nice to know I can get some straight answers when I need them. I see my pain specilist this week and will bring up the Catapress TTS and the testosterone. Thanks again. << Sweating…again from the opiates…talk to your doc about Catapress TTS patch 0.1 mg/day or Robinul Forte…try the former before the latter. 3. Loss of interest…again from the opiates…you need testosterone.  Have your doc try EstraTest or, if you have a progressive doc, have him implant a 75 mg pellet of testosterone into a  >>

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There are good ways to use these meds.  If you have a good doc you just need to help him learn how to do it right,  I hope it works for you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you so much for the information! I sincerely appreciate it and hopefully, > I can get my life back to a semi normal stage. I really didnt want to say, but > I am on Oxycontin 80 mgs a day and also Oxy IR for breakthrough. I also take > Neurontin, Zoloft,Xanax and Imetrex.  Thank you again, its nice to know I can > get some straight answers when I need them. I see my pain specilist this week > and will bring up the Catapress TTS and the testosterone. > Thanks again. > << Sweating…again from the opiates…talk to your doc about Catapress TTS > patch 0.1 mg/day or Robinul Forte…try the former before the latter. > 3. Loss of interest…again from the opiates…you need testosterone. Have > your doc try EstraTest or, if you have a progressive doc, have him implant a > 75 mg pellet of testosterone into a  >>

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>I am taking a number of medications and getting several disturbing side >effects going on. First, the dry mouth, this drives me NUTS and I have heard >its how your teeth become so weak.

There is something called Saliva Substitute that you can try for this. You may have to call your pharmacy and have them order it. It’s not prescription, but usually kept behind the counter. It’s not too expensive. if all else fails, maybe you can try a prescription medication called Salagen. It’s meant to help those with Sjogren’s syndrome, a disease that affect the mucous membranes, resulting in severe dry mouth, eyes, nose, etc, but I’ve  heard of it used for those with severe dry mouth. There’s another RX medication called Evoxac that does the same thing. I’d try the Salagen first (it’s smaller…LOL). I hate to suggest adding another medication to combat the side effects of the meds you are on now, but sometimes that’s what you have to do when all else fails. Also, brush your teeth 3 times a day with a good fluoride toothpaste, and floss as well. If you suck on candy, make sure it is sugarless as sucking on sugared candy defeats the purpose. Drink a lot of water and other drinks that don’t have sugar in them. >The other is hot flashes, and profuse sweating, I’ve never been so sweaty, >even when I was pregnant. I could have sworn someone brought this up before >and >there was a medicine that helped?

Pain medications can cause this, so this could be why you are sweaty, not the hot flashes. I brought up, in another post, a medication called Robinul Forte, usually taken two-three times a day, four at the MOST. You have to be careful in the Summer heat though because you need to sweat and be careful not to overheat when you take it. It is a helpful medication. Again, suggesting another medication on top of everything else you are taking may not be the best of ideas, but it’s up to you and your doctor. >OK, third thing, I have noticed some loss of interest in sex, I am not too >concerned yet, but I’m worried about all these side effects getting worse.

If you are not too worried about this yet, then wait on doing anything. You don’t want to add any more meds than you have to. Pain meds and antidepressants (if you are on them) are notorious for causing a loss of sexual drive. That’s just what happens. Sometimes you just have to…um…take things more slowly. You may not feel in the mood to do things, but once starting, the mood often changes…LOL! But, unless the loss of interest is profound, and you are really worried, don’t do anything at this time because you don’t want to add any other meds than you have to. You may want to ask your doctor to check your Estrogen and Testosterone levels and the levels in relation to one another to see if you need some Estrogen or Testosterone. My Reproductive Endocrinologist told me that sometimes all a woman needs is a little Estrogen to get things back on track (I am waiting to see my PCP doctor though about getting on EstraTest as I don’t get a period anymore and need something and this is what Dr. Work suggested. My RE is too far away for me to see regularly, and getting referrals is a joke as they think I am seeing her to get pregnant). Anyhow, again, if you are not too concerned about the little loss of interest, don’t do anything. Let me tell you this…worrying about it may make it worse. Thinking about it may exasperate the issue. So, for now, put this in the back of your mind, and if it gets worse, then see a doctor. I hope this helped a bit. Nikki ******* I am who I am Your approval is neither Desired nor required ******* "When you throw mud at someone, remember you are the one who is losing ground." ******* "He that can’t endure the bad will not live to see the good." *******

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Dr. Work – thanks for the recomendation on the sweating.  I thought that this was just going to be a fact of life.  I’ll talk to my doctor with my next appointment about the Catapres and Robinul Forte. The other side affect – constipation – uggh – I have been taking MiraLax (prescription stool softener), it has worked very well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 1. Dry mouth…from the opiates giving you anti-cholinergic side-effects. > Not much to do except learn to deal with it.  Hard lemon drops > help…anything sour.  Make sure you brush your teeth well with a > fluoridated toothpaste twice a day and use a good rinse as well. > 2. Sweating…again from the opiates…talk to your doc about Catapress TTS > patch 0.1 mg/day or Robinul Forte…try the former before the latter. > 3. Loss of interest…again from the opiates…you need testosterone. Have > your doc try EstraTest or, if you have a progressive doc, have him implant a > 75 mg pellet of testosterone into a paralumbar fat pad.  In addition, > transdermal GHRH therapy does wonders for the libido. > — > Bill Work > This communication is intended to provide general information, and in no > way is a substitute for face-to-face medical care.  No implication of a > doctor-patient relationship should be assumed by the reader. > HELP!!! > I am taking a number of medications and getting several disturbing side > effects going on. First, the dry mouth, this drives me NUTS and I have > heard > its how your teeth become so weak. I have had this a long time, tried many > things, drinking a lot of water, and eating hard candy help produce more > saliva. There must be a better way to handle this, any ideas? > The other is hot flashes, and profuse sweating, I’ve never been so sweaty, > even when I was pregnant. I could have sworn someone brought this up > before and > there was a medicine that helped? > OK, third thing, I have noticed some loss of interest in sex, I am not too > concerned yet, but I’m worried about all these side effects getting worse. > If > you have any ideas, suggestions or know of You can always e-mail me too at

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No, they had good taste. — Bill Work This communication is intended to provide general information, and in no way is a substitute for face-to-face medical care.  No implication of a doctor-patient relationship should be assumed by the reader.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->on their opinion by saying: >>Testosterone therapy for a female? >You betcha Zig.  A woman without testosterone (the horny hormone) will >have little to no sex drive and experience great difficulty in >attaining an orgasm.  While they don’t need it at the same levels we >do (they start growing facial hair) they do in fact need it for their >sexual side. > So all those frigid women who slapped me when I asked for sex were > really just low on testosterone? > Just kidding, for the humor impaired. :)

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Dr Work can I e-mail you off the group?   I need to ask a couple of questions I cannot do in this public forum.  Not related to pain medical care.

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Sure, Ruada — Bill Work This communication is intended to provide general information, and in no way is a substitute for face-to-face medical care.  No implication of a doctor-patient relationship should be assumed by the reader.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dr Work can I e-mail you off the group?   I need to ask a couple of > questions I cannot do in this public forum.  Not related to pain medical > care.

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What to do when antidepressants make it worse — yet depressed Q: My 10 year old son has been on meds for BP for 2 years. He becomes very activated (manic) when put on even the smallest dose of an anti-depressant. He takes two mood stabilizers as well as Lithium. My question is: What can we do when he becomes severly depressed? He becomes suicidal at times and requires immediate intervention. Dear Tina — This is an unfortunately common dilemma.  In adults, here’s what I do: add more mood stabilizer (yep, even if the person’s already on several).  Or rather, one optimizes each, then adds another if absolutely necessary.  What’s "optimize" mean? First, make sure than none of the mood stabilizers is one that’s been associated with causing hypomania.  Yes, this occurs: Neurontin is the worst in this respect, lamotrigine also implicated in this way, topiramate probably also capable, Risperidone fairly widely accepted as commonly causing this problem, and even Zyprexa more rarely associated.  That leaves lithium, Depakote and carbamazepine as basically the only really secure options. Second, make sure lithium is at the highest blood level he can safely tolerate.  "Safely" means no higher than 1.1 mmol/L, because more is too close to too much.  But if he’s 0.9 or less, then there’s a little room to go up, as long as he’s monitored very closely to make sure the level doesn’t come out higher than 1.1.  Lithium is the best "antidepressant" we’ve got that won’t make things worse.   "Tolerate" means that even a lower blood level may be the maximum, if he gets too much in the way of side effects at higher doses. Third, maximize non-medication modalities: regular exercise is an antidepressant of high quality — at least in adults, which may actually also have mood stabilizing properties (no data, my observations).  Regular hours is possibly pretty crucial.  The NIMH stabilized a guy with rapid cycling, not responsive to medication approaches, by putting him in a dark room every night at 9 pm for several months (enforced rest/darkness). There’s an elaborate explanation for why this restores more normal sleep cycles, but it sure worked for this guy, so I routinely recommend regular schedules (especially sleep) for may patients with bipolar disorder, especially if they have rapid cycling. Fourth, check for other causes of cycling.  First on that list is antidepressants: if used at all, it must be at much lower than usual doses, and for very brief periods (I’ve given my most brittle patient only two days of Risperidone in a row, at 0.25mg which is micro-dosing, and seen clear antidepressant response, where more causes her to become hypomanic).  Other causes include steroid inhalers, and stress.  I list that last because it’s the hardest to control, obviously.  The illness creates its own stress, as you know. Sometimes marital or family therapy can lower the stress level in a household.   Good luck. Dr. Phelps — DSM IV is the fabrication upon which psychiatry seeks acceptance by medicine in general. Insiders know it is more a political than scientific document. To its credit it says so –Loren R. Mosher, M.D.

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What to do when antidepressants make it worse — yet depressed Q: My 10 year old son has been on meds for BP for 2 years. He becomes very activated (manic) when put on even the smallest dose of an anti-depressant. He takes two mood stabilizers as well as Lithium. My question is: What can we do when he becomes severly depressed? He becomes suicidal at times and requires immediate intervention. Dear Tina — This is an unfortunately common dilemma.  In adults, here’s what I do: add more mood stabilizer (yep, even if the person’s already on several).  Or rather, one optimizes each, then adds another if absolutely necessary.  What’s "optimize" mean? First, make sure than none of the mood stabilizers is one that’s been associated with causing hypomania.  Yes, this occurs: Neurontin is the worst in this respect, lamotrigine also implicated in this way, topiramate probably also capable, Risperidone fairly widely accepted as commonly causing this problem, and even Zyprexa more rarely associated.  That leaves lithium, Depakote and carbamazepine as basically the only really secure options. Second, make sure lithium is at the highest blood level he can safely tolerate.  "Safely" means no higher than 1.1 mmol/L, because more is too close to too much.  But if he’s 0.9 or less, then there’s a little room to go up, as long as he’s monitored very closely to make sure the level doesn’t come out higher than 1.1.  Lithium is the best "antidepressant" we’ve got that won’t make things worse.   "Tolerate" means that even a lower blood level may be the maximum, if he gets too much in the way of side effects at higher doses. Third, maximize non-medication modalities: regular exercise is an antidepressant of high quality — at least in adults, which may actually also have mood stabilizing properties (no data, my observations).  Regular hours is possibly pretty crucial.  The NIMH stabilized a guy with rapid cycling, not responsive to medication approaches, by putting him in a dark room every night at 9 pm for several months (enforced rest/darkness). There’s an elaborate explanation for why this restores more normal sleep cycles, but it sure worked for this guy, so I routinely recommend regular schedules (especially sleep) for may patients with bipolar disorder, especially if they have rapid cycling. Fourth, check for other causes of cycling.  First on that list is antidepressants: if used at all, it must be at much lower than usual doses, and for very brief periods (I’ve given my most brittle patient only two days of Risperidone in a row, at 0.25mg which is micro-dosing, and seen clear antidepressant response, where more causes her to become hypomanic).  Other causes include steroid inhalers, and stress.  I list that last because it’s the hardest to control, obviously.  The illness creates its own stress, as you know. Sometimes marital or family therapy can lower the stress level in a household.   Good luck. Dr. Phelps — DSM IV is the fabrication upon which psychiatry seeks acceptance by medicine in general. Insiders know it is more a political than scientific document. To its credit it says so –Loren R. Mosher, M.D.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in > protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel > frequently. > State law is the same here, and I also travel frequently. I wasn’t > recommending skipping the rabies vaccine; I was referring to other > vaccines. >  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly > out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be > quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my > home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still > required. > As it is in my state. >  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could > potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. > The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we > visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats). > Then I’d skip the Feline Leukemia and FIP vaccinations. (and > actually, I now do.) > Laura > — > Thanks, Laura.  I guess there was some miscommunication because it was actually rabies vaccine that I was talking about (state law requiring annual vaccination even though the vaccine is now certified for 3 years).  I eliminated the other vaccinations a few years ago, on the advice of my vet.  But thanks for the feedback.  It helps to get information from various sources.

MaryL

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>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled >out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe >mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.  

My cat used to do this alot.  She seems to have outgrown it. Chris

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>>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled >out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe >mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.   >My cat used to do this alot.  She seems to have outgrown it.

If severe, the condition described is called feline hyperesthesia, or sometimes "rolling back syndrome."  The condition is not well understood. According to my vet, if it only happens once in a while and for only a few seconds, it’s nothing much to be concerned about. Some cats react this way when stressed. If it becomes more frequent and longer duration, or if the cat becomes aggressive during attacks, there are a variety of treatments possible.

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> > Thanks, Laura.  I guess there was some miscommunication because it was actually rabies vaccine that I was talking about (state law requiring annual vaccination even though the vaccine is now certified for 3 years).

Ah, gotcha. This state (Pennsylvania) is the same way- requires yearly, even though it’s totally unnecessary. Frustrating, isn’t it? Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Megan, > This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets > rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require > rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to > provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only > cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the > protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my > vet again this year, in case there have been changes. > The law here also requires annual rabies vaccination. However, some > vaccines are not indicated at all for indoor cats in closed > households, and Cornell’s studies over twenty years showed that three > years is a suitable revaccination interval in most cases. American > vets tend to be a little slower in accepting this research, it seems. > The best ones will perform titers to determine if the cat still has > sufficient antibodies and therefore doesn’t require revaccination > yet. The less enlightened simply push a plethora of vaccinations at > yearly intervals. > I can say from experience- if your vet is insistent on yearly > boosters, look for a new vet. > Laura > — > Laura,

The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel frequently.  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still required.  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats). MaryL

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> The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in > protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel > frequently.

State law is the same here, and I also travel frequently. I wasn’t recommending skipping the rabies vaccine; I was referring to other vaccines. >  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly > out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be > quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my > home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still > required.

As it is in my state. >  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could > potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. > The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we > visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats).

Then I’d skip the Feline Leukemia and FIP vaccinations. (and actually, I now do.) Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, > One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around. > I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried. > Otherwise he continues to be affectionate, seems to be eating normally > and has motor coordination. > The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new > oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not > normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started > exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  I can’t think > of what this has to do with it, but anyway, there you have it. > Thanks in advance if you have any ideas. > Swedey

I have a cat with inhalant allergies and this is how he acted in the beginning. I have vigorously "de allergized" as much as I can. This behaviour has almost ceased now, but he does lick thin spots in his fur. I can’t find his "trigger", but HEPA purifier, closed windows and frequent vacuuming seem to help. Perhaps there is some allergen that came in on the new furniture. Is there any "cushion" material on the furniture? If so, try vacuuming it all thoroughly. Karen

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  I once had a cat > that was afraid of Christmas trees — I’d get a little 4-foot tree, > and the cat would stay in the kitchen for the next day, terrified of > the new object in the living room.

Oh NO!!  You just made me remember that I have to train a kitty all over again about Christmas trees come December!!!!  AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!  lol  The new one is just about a year old right now and was a stray so there’s a good chance he’s never seen a Christmas tree!  ;-)

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My guess would be flea allergy or some other irritation to the skin.  This is the height of the flea season, and one bite is all it takes for the allergic animal to behave just as you describe.  Worth a vet visit.

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>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.

Fleas. >I already ruled out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.

It’s not perfect. We have a cat with a flea allergy, but if you go over him with a flea comb you find nothing, or maybe one flea after substantial combing. For a cat who’s either allergic, or not used to fleas, it only needs one to cause a problem. >I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried.

If he is otherwise normal then there is probably nothing much to be worried about, but a vet will hopefully be able to put your mind at rest.

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> > Hyperesthesia Syndrome > This sounds very accurate, except my cat doesn’t get violent or meow a > lot.

I’m no expert, but from the reading I’ve done, the symptoms vary; not all cats vocalize or react violently. >  What is the prognosis for this syndrome?  The web pages don’t > really say.  Is is always progressive into a full-blown seizure disorder?  

Nope. > Will it significantly shorten life?

Probably not. Generally, it’s just something that the cat "has", and doesn’t affect the cat’s life span. If it affects the cat’s quality of life, medications are sometimes tried. Which medication works depends on what’s causing the hyperesthesia- sometimes antidepressants do, other times anti-seizure drugs help. > He’s going to the vet anyway for annual vaccinations, so I will mention > this.  

I’d be curious to hear what the vet has to say. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Ah, this is the condition I was thinking of. Thank you for posting Karen.  As with Swedey’s cat our Molly is not aggressive, but she displays the other characteristics. I’m curious to see what the vet has to  say. Many thanks –

> Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only > nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition > that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called > so I can’t look it up.

Hyperesthesia Syndrome<

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I mean Laura! Thank you LAURA. Not sure where I got Karen from.

Ah, this is the condition I was thinking of. Thank you for posting Karen<

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I’m the one who suggested allergies. Karen

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> I mean Laura! Thank you LAURA. Not sure where I got Karen from.

I was kinda wondering that myself. ;-) Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Ah, but now I know where I got Karen from…LOL! Thanks to all of you  :) Early here on the west coast and I hadn’t sipped my coffee yet at the time I posted.

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>He’s going to the vet anyway for annual >vaccinations, so I will mention this.

Annual shots are no longer recommended. The vaccine protocols have changed due to the emergence of deadly vaccine site related cancers, and the fact that vaccines provide much longer protection than was originally thought. Your cat should only be vaccinated every *3* years (and never by the shoulders, only in the rear leg.) The Leukemia vaccine should not be given to any but very high risk cats at it is one of the main culprits in VAS, and also does not provide anywhere near 100% protection. FIP should not be given at all. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

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> >He’s going to the vet anyway for annual >vaccinations, so I will mention this. > Annual shots are no longer recommended. > The vaccine protocols have changed due to the emergence of deadly > vaccine site related cancers, and the fact that vaccines provide much > longer protection than was originally thought. Your cat should only be > vaccinated every *3* years (and never by the shoulders, only in the rear > leg.) > Megan

Megan, This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my vet again this year, in case there have been changes. MaryL

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Please have your cat checked for fleas.  Years ago, I had a cat who suddenly exhibited similar characteristics.  In addition, he was pulling out big tufts of fur.  I "thought" I checked him carefully but couldn’t find anything.  My vet recognized the symptoms, did a very careful check — and found a pocket with a large number of fleas, all burrowed deep in the groin area (or its equivalent in a cat)!  I realize that you say you have ruled out fleas, but I thought I had, too.  Of course, I may be way off base with this since you say you are using Frontline — but it’s worth checking. MaryL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello, > One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around. > I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried. > Otherwise he continues to be affectionate, seems to be eating normally > and has motor coordination. > The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new > oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not > normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started > exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  I can’t think > of what this has to do with it, but anyway, there you have it. > Thanks in advance if you have any ideas. > Swedey

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>Oh NO!!  You just made me remember that I have to train a kitty all over >again about Christmas trees come December!!!!  AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!  lol  The new >one is just about a year old right now and was a stray so there’s a good >chance he’s never seen a Christmas tree!  ;-)

I’ve only had one cat who liked to climb Christmas trees, my tiger-striped male Tigger. ANd of course he was also the heaviest cat I’ve ever had (about 15 pounds if I remember correctly). He did at least have enough common sense to stay on the trunk, not the branches. It was quite an amusing sight to look at the top of the tree and see the head of an orange cat where the angel used to be. Especially when he’d then give you one of his cutest meows. Dan Mahoney

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> Megan, > This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets > rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require > rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to > provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only > cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the > protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my > vet again this year, in case there have been changes.

The law here also requires annual rabies vaccination. However, some vaccines are not indicated at all for indoor cats in closed households, and Cornell’s studies over twenty years showed that three years is a suitable revaccination interval in most cases. American vets tend to be a little slower in accepting this research, it seems. The best ones will perform titers to determine if the cat still has sufficient antibodies and therefore doesn’t require revaccination yet. The less enlightened simply push a plethora of vaccinations at yearly intervals. I can say from experience- if your vet is insistent on yearly boosters, look for a new vet. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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> Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only > nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition > that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called > so I can’t look it up.

Hyperesthesia Syndrome http://www.purelypets.com/newsletter/september2001/felinehyperesthesi aNL.htm http://www.tica.org/vet/vet58.htm http://www.tica.org/vet/vet27.htm http://members.aol.com/paws2tails/private/columns/11_28_98.html http://webcenter.petplace.aol.com/articles/artShow.asp?artID=1991 Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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> One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.  

That sounds like skin irritation/allergy to me. Is there any dandruff? Is the skin reddened? Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called so I can’t look it up. Perhaps Phil can assist here?

Hello, One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily for the last week. First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.<<

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writes: >The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new >oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not >normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started >exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  

This is no small event in a cat’s life.  New furniture is bigger than him, smells different, and changes his environment.  I once had a cat that was afraid of Christmas trees — I’d get a little 4-foot tree, and the cat would stay in the kitchen for the next day, terrified of the new object in the living room. It sounds like your cat is just getting used to the new furniture.  His licking himself is a sign of nervousness.  The racing around is probably nervousness, though cats also play by racing around.  He’s probably just adjusting to the new objects, which he doesn’t understand. I don’t think there’s anything to be worried about, quite frankly. Enjoy your new furniture! Daria Timing is everything.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in > protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel > frequently. > State law is the same here, and I also travel frequently. I wasn’t > recommending skipping the rabies vaccine; I was referring to other > vaccines. >  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly > out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be > quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my > home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still > required. > As it is in my state. >  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could > potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. > The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we > visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats). > Then I’d skip the Feline Leukemia and FIP vaccinations. (and > actually, I now do.) > Laura > — > Thanks, Laura.  I guess there was some miscommunication because it was actually rabies vaccine that I was talking about (state law requiring annual vaccination even though the vaccine is now certified for 3 years).  I eliminated the other vaccinations a few years ago, on the advice of my vet.  But thanks for the feedback.  It helps to get information from various sources.

MaryL

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>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled >out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe >mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.  

My cat used to do this alot.  She seems to have outgrown it. Chris

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>>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled >out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe >mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.   >My cat used to do this alot.  She seems to have outgrown it.

If severe, the condition described is called feline hyperesthesia, or sometimes "rolling back syndrome."  The condition is not well understood. According to my vet, if it only happens once in a while and for only a few seconds, it’s nothing much to be concerned about. Some cats react this way when stressed. If it becomes more frequent and longer duration, or if the cat becomes aggressive during attacks, there are a variety of treatments possible.

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> > Thanks, Laura.  I guess there was some miscommunication because it was actually rabies vaccine that I was talking about (state law requiring annual vaccination even though the vaccine is now certified for 3 years).

Ah, gotcha. This state (Pennsylvania) is the same way- requires yearly, even though it’s totally unnecessary. Frustrating, isn’t it? Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Megan, > This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets > rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require > rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to > provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only > cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the > protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my > vet again this year, in case there have been changes. > The law here also requires annual rabies vaccination. However, some > vaccines are not indicated at all for indoor cats in closed > households, and Cornell’s studies over twenty years showed that three > years is a suitable revaccination interval in most cases. American > vets tend to be a little slower in accepting this research, it seems. > The best ones will perform titers to determine if the cat still has > sufficient antibodies and therefore doesn’t require revaccination > yet. The less enlightened simply push a plethora of vaccinations at > yearly intervals. > I can say from experience- if your vet is insistent on yearly > boosters, look for a new vet. > Laura > — > Laura,

The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel frequently.  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still required.  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats). MaryL

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> The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in > protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel > frequently.

State law is the same here, and I also travel frequently. I wasn’t recommending skipping the rabies vaccine; I was referring to other vaccines. >  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly > out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be > quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my > home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still > required.

As it is in my state. >  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could > potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. > The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we > visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats).

Then I’d skip the Feline Leukemia and FIP vaccinations. (and actually, I now do.) Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, > One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around. > I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried. > Otherwise he continues to be affectionate, seems to be eating normally > and has motor coordination. > The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new > oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not > normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started > exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  I can’t think > of what this has to do with it, but anyway, there you have it. > Thanks in advance if you have any ideas. > Swedey

I have a cat with inhalant allergies and this is how he acted in the beginning. I have vigorously "de allergized" as much as I can. This behaviour has almost ceased now, but he does lick thin spots in his fur. I can’t find his "trigger", but HEPA purifier, closed windows and frequent vacuuming seem to help. Perhaps there is some allergen that came in on the new furniture. Is there any "cushion" material on the furniture? If so, try vacuuming it all thoroughly. Karen

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  I once had a cat > that was afraid of Christmas trees — I’d get a little 4-foot tree, > and the cat would stay in the kitchen for the next day, terrified of > the new object in the living room.

Oh NO!!  You just made me remember that I have to train a kitty all over again about Christmas trees come December!!!!  AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!  lol  The new one is just about a year old right now and was a stray so there’s a good chance he’s never seen a Christmas tree!  ;-)

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My guess would be flea allergy or some other irritation to the skin.  This is the height of the flea season, and one bite is all it takes for the allergic animal to behave just as you describe.  Worth a vet visit.

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>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.

Fleas. >I already ruled out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.

It’s not perfect. We have a cat with a flea allergy, but if you go over him with a flea comb you find nothing, or maybe one flea after substantial combing. For a cat who’s either allergic, or not used to fleas, it only needs one to cause a problem. >I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried.

If he is otherwise normal then there is probably nothing much to be worried about, but a vet will hopefully be able to put your mind at rest.

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> > Hyperesthesia Syndrome > This sounds very accurate, except my cat doesn’t get violent or meow a > lot.

I’m no expert, but from the reading I’ve done, the symptoms vary; not all cats vocalize or react violently. >  What is the prognosis for this syndrome?  The web pages don’t > really say.  Is is always progressive into a full-blown seizure disorder?  

Nope. > Will it significantly shorten life?

Probably not. Generally, it’s just something that the cat "has", and doesn’t affect the cat’s life span. If it affects the cat’s quality of life, medications are sometimes tried. Which medication works depends on what’s causing the hyperesthesia- sometimes antidepressants do, other times anti-seizure drugs help. > He’s going to the vet anyway for annual vaccinations, so I will mention > this.  

I’d be curious to hear what the vet has to say. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Ah, this is the condition I was thinking of. Thank you for posting Karen.  As with Swedey’s cat our Molly is not aggressive, but she displays the other characteristics. I’m curious to see what the vet has to  say. Many thanks –

> Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only > nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition > that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called > so I can’t look it up.

Hyperesthesia Syndrome<

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I mean Laura! Thank you LAURA. Not sure where I got Karen from.

Ah, this is the condition I was thinking of. Thank you for posting Karen<

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I’m the one who suggested allergies. Karen

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> I mean Laura! Thank you LAURA. Not sure where I got Karen from.

I was kinda wondering that myself. ;-) Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Ah, but now I know where I got Karen from…LOL! Thanks to all of you  :) Early here on the west coast and I hadn’t sipped my coffee yet at the time I posted.

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>He’s going to the vet anyway for annual >vaccinations, so I will mention this.

Annual shots are no longer recommended. The vaccine protocols have changed due to the emergence of deadly vaccine site related cancers, and the fact that vaccines provide much longer protection than was originally thought. Your cat should only be vaccinated every *3* years (and never by the shoulders, only in the rear leg.) The Leukemia vaccine should not be given to any but very high risk cats at it is one of the main culprits in VAS, and also does not provide anywhere near 100% protection. FIP should not be given at all. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

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> >He’s going to the vet anyway for annual >vaccinations, so I will mention this. > Annual shots are no longer recommended. > The vaccine protocols have changed due to the emergence of deadly > vaccine site related cancers, and the fact that vaccines provide much > longer protection than was originally thought. Your cat should only be > vaccinated every *3* years (and never by the shoulders, only in the rear > leg.) > Megan

Megan, This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my vet again this year, in case there have been changes. MaryL

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Please have your cat checked for fleas.  Years ago, I had a cat who suddenly exhibited similar characteristics.  In addition, he was pulling out big tufts of fur.  I "thought" I checked him carefully but couldn’t find anything.  My vet recognized the symptoms, did a very careful check — and found a pocket with a large number of fleas, all burrowed deep in the groin area (or its equivalent in a cat)!  I realize that you say you have ruled out fleas, but I thought I had, too.  Of course, I may be way off base with this since you say you are using Frontline — but it’s worth checking. MaryL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello, > One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around. > I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried. > Otherwise he continues to be affectionate, seems to be eating normally > and has motor coordination. > The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new > oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not > normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started > exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  I can’t think > of what this has to do with it, but anyway, there you have it. > Thanks in advance if you have any ideas. > Swedey

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>Oh NO!!  You just made me remember that I have to train a kitty all over >again about Christmas trees come December!!!!  AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!  lol  The new >one is just about a year old right now and was a stray so there’s a good >chance he’s never seen a Christmas tree!  ;-)

I’ve only had one cat who liked to climb Christmas trees, my tiger-striped male Tigger. ANd of course he was also the heaviest cat I’ve ever had (about 15 pounds if I remember correctly). He did at least have enough common sense to stay on the trunk, not the branches. It was quite an amusing sight to look at the top of the tree and see the head of an orange cat where the angel used to be. Especially when he’d then give you one of his cutest meows. Dan Mahoney

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> Megan, > This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets > rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require > rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to > provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only > cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the > protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my > vet again this year, in case there have been changes.

The law here also requires annual rabies vaccination. However, some vaccines are not indicated at all for indoor cats in closed households, and Cornell’s studies over twenty years showed that three years is a suitable revaccination interval in most cases. American vets tend to be a little slower in accepting this research, it seems. The best ones will perform titers to determine if the cat still has sufficient antibodies and therefore doesn’t require revaccination yet. The less enlightened simply push a plethora of vaccinations at yearly intervals. I can say from experience- if your vet is insistent on yearly boosters, look for a new vet. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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> Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only > nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition > that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called > so I can’t look it up.

Hyperesthesia Syndrome http://www.purelypets.com/newsletter/september2001/felinehyperesthesi aNL.htm http://www.tica.org/vet/vet58.htm http://www.tica.org/vet/vet27.htm http://members.aol.com/paws2tails/private/columns/11_28_98.html http://webcenter.petplace.aol.com/articles/artShow.asp?artID=1991 Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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> One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.  

That sounds like skin irritation/allergy to me. Is there any dandruff? Is the skin reddened? Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called so I can’t look it up. Perhaps Phil can assist here?

Hello, One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily for the last week. First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.<<

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writes: >The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new >oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not >normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started >exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  

This is no small event in a cat’s life.  New furniture is bigger than him, smells different, and changes his environment.  I once had a cat that was afraid of Christmas trees — I’d get a little 4-foot tree, and the cat would stay in the kitchen for the next day, terrified of the new object in the living room. It sounds like your cat is just getting used to the new furniture.  His licking himself is a sign of nervousness.  The racing around is probably nervousness, though cats also play by racing around.  He’s probably just adjusting to the new objects, which he doesn’t understand. I don’t think there’s anything to be worried about, quite frankly. Enjoy your new furniture! Daria Timing is everything.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in > protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel > frequently. > State law is the same here, and I also travel frequently. I wasn’t > recommending skipping the rabies vaccine; I was referring to other > vaccines. >  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly > out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be > quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my > home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still > required. > As it is in my state. >  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could > potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. > The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we > visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats). > Then I’d skip the Feline Leukemia and FIP vaccinations. (and > actually, I now do.) > Laura > — > Thanks, Laura.  I guess there was some miscommunication because it was actually rabies vaccine that I was talking about (state law requiring annual vaccination even though the vaccine is now certified for 3 years).  I eliminated the other vaccinations a few years ago, on the advice of my vet.  But thanks for the feedback.  It helps to get information from various sources.

MaryL

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>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled >out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe >mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.  

My cat used to do this alot.  She seems to have outgrown it. Chris

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>>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled >out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe >mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.   >My cat used to do this alot.  She seems to have outgrown it.

If severe, the condition described is called feline hyperesthesia, or sometimes "rolling back syndrome."  The condition is not well understood. According to my vet, if it only happens once in a while and for only a few seconds, it’s nothing much to be concerned about. Some cats react this way when stressed. If it becomes more frequent and longer duration, or if the cat becomes aggressive during attacks, there are a variety of treatments possible.

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> > Thanks, Laura.  I guess there was some miscommunication because it was actually rabies vaccine that I was talking about (state law requiring annual vaccination even though the vaccine is now certified for 3 years).

Ah, gotcha. This state (Pennsylvania) is the same way- requires yearly, even though it’s totally unnecessary. Frustrating, isn’t it? Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Megan, > This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets > rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require > rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to > provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only > cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the > protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my > vet again this year, in case there have been changes. > The law here also requires annual rabies vaccination. However, some > vaccines are not indicated at all for indoor cats in closed > households, and Cornell’s studies over twenty years showed that three > years is a suitable revaccination interval in most cases. American > vets tend to be a little slower in accepting this research, it seems. > The best ones will perform titers to determine if the cat still has > sufficient antibodies and therefore doesn’t require revaccination > yet. The less enlightened simply push a plethora of vaccinations at > yearly intervals. > I can say from experience- if your vet is insistent on yearly > boosters, look for a new vet. > Laura > — > Laura,

The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel frequently.  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still required.  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats). MaryL

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> The problem isn’t my vet.  He had already told me about the changes in > protocols.  The problem is state law, and the fact that I travel > frequently.

State law is the same here, and I also travel frequently. I wasn’t recommending skipping the rabies vaccine; I was referring to other vaccines. >  I always get a health certificate when I drive or fly > out-of-state, and I do not want to take any chances that my cat would be > quarantined because I failed to comply with various state laws.  In my > home state (Texas), for example, annual rabies vaccination is still > required.

As it is in my state. >  At the same time, I really hate giving medications that could > potentially be harmful, particularly since my cat is always indoors. > The only cats she could come in contact with are my sister’s, when we > visit her in Ohio (and they are also indoor-only cats).

Then I’d skip the Feline Leukemia and FIP vaccinations. (and actually, I now do.) Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, > One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around. > I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried. > Otherwise he continues to be affectionate, seems to be eating normally > and has motor coordination. > The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new > oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not > normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started > exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  I can’t think > of what this has to do with it, but anyway, there you have it. > Thanks in advance if you have any ideas. > Swedey

I have a cat with inhalant allergies and this is how he acted in the beginning. I have vigorously "de allergized" as much as I can. This behaviour has almost ceased now, but he does lick thin spots in his fur. I can’t find his "trigger", but HEPA purifier, closed windows and frequent vacuuming seem to help. Perhaps there is some allergen that came in on the new furniture. Is there any "cushion" material on the furniture? If so, try vacuuming it all thoroughly. Karen

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  I once had a cat > that was afraid of Christmas trees — I’d get a little 4-foot tree, > and the cat would stay in the kitchen for the next day, terrified of > the new object in the living room.

Oh NO!!  You just made me remember that I have to train a kitty all over again about Christmas trees come December!!!!  AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!  lol  The new one is just about a year old right now and was a stray so there’s a good chance he’s never seen a Christmas tree!  ;-)

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My guess would be flea allergy or some other irritation to the skin.  This is the height of the flea season, and one bite is all it takes for the allergic animal to behave just as you describe.  Worth a vet visit.

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>First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very >quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his >body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking >it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From >looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person >pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.

Fleas. >I already ruled out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.

It’s not perfect. We have a cat with a flea allergy, but if you go over him with a flea comb you find nothing, or maybe one flea after substantial combing. For a cat who’s either allergic, or not used to fleas, it only needs one to cause a problem. >I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried.

If he is otherwise normal then there is probably nothing much to be worried about, but a vet will hopefully be able to put your mind at rest.

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> > Hyperesthesia Syndrome > This sounds very accurate, except my cat doesn’t get violent or meow a > lot.

I’m no expert, but from the reading I’ve done, the symptoms vary; not all cats vocalize or react violently. >  What is the prognosis for this syndrome?  The web pages don’t > really say.  Is is always progressive into a full-blown seizure disorder?  

Nope. > Will it significantly shorten life?

Probably not. Generally, it’s just something that the cat "has", and doesn’t affect the cat’s life span. If it affects the cat’s quality of life, medications are sometimes tried. Which medication works depends on what’s causing the hyperesthesia- sometimes antidepressants do, other times anti-seizure drugs help. > He’s going to the vet anyway for annual vaccinations, so I will mention > this.  

I’d be curious to hear what the vet has to say. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Ah, this is the condition I was thinking of. Thank you for posting Karen.  As with Swedey’s cat our Molly is not aggressive, but she displays the other characteristics. I’m curious to see what the vet has to  say. Many thanks –

> Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only > nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition > that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called > so I can’t look it up.

Hyperesthesia Syndrome<

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I mean Laura! Thank you LAURA. Not sure where I got Karen from.

Ah, this is the condition I was thinking of. Thank you for posting Karen<

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I’m the one who suggested allergies. Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I mean Laura! Thank you LAURA. Not sure where I got Karen from. vigorously > Ah, this is the condition I was thinking of. Thank you for posting Karen<

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> I mean Laura! Thank you LAURA. Not sure where I got Karen from.

I was kinda wondering that myself. ;-) Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Ah, but now I know where I got Karen from…LOL! Thanks to all of you  :) Early here on the west coast and I hadn’t sipped my coffee yet at the time I posted.

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>He’s going to the vet anyway for annual >vaccinations, so I will mention this.

Annual shots are no longer recommended. The vaccine protocols have changed due to the emergence of deadly vaccine site related cancers, and the fact that vaccines provide much longer protection than was originally thought. Your cat should only be vaccinated every *3* years (and never by the shoulders, only in the rear leg.) The Leukemia vaccine should not be given to any but very high risk cats at it is one of the main culprits in VAS, and also does not provide anywhere near 100% protection. FIP should not be given at all. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

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> >He’s going to the vet anyway for annual >vaccinations, so I will mention this. > Annual shots are no longer recommended. > The vaccine protocols have changed due to the emergence of deadly > vaccine site related cancers, and the fact that vaccines provide much > longer protection than was originally thought. Your cat should only be > vaccinated every *3* years (and never by the shoulders, only in the rear > leg.) > Megan

Megan, This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my vet again this year, in case there have been changes. MaryL

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Please have your cat checked for fleas.  Years ago, I had a cat who suddenly exhibited similar characteristics.  In addition, he was pulling out big tufts of fur.  I "thought" I checked him carefully but couldn’t find anything.  My vet recognized the symptoms, did a very careful check — and found a pocket with a large number of fleas, all burrowed deep in the groin area (or its equivalent in a cat)!  I realize that you say you have ruled out fleas, but I thought I had, too.  Of course, I may be way off base with this since you say you are using Frontline — but it’s worth checking. MaryL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello, > One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around. > I could be getting all worked up over nothing, but I am worried. > Otherwise he continues to be affectionate, seems to be eating normally > and has motor coordination. > The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new > oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not > normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started > exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  I can’t think > of what this has to do with it, but anyway, there you have it. > Thanks in advance if you have any ideas. > Swedey

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>Oh NO!!  You just made me remember that I have to train a kitty all over >again about Christmas trees come December!!!!  AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!  lol  The new >one is just about a year old right now and was a stray so there’s a good >chance he’s never seen a Christmas tree!  ;-)

I’ve only had one cat who liked to climb Christmas trees, my tiger-striped male Tigger. ANd of course he was also the heaviest cat I’ve ever had (about 15 pounds if I remember correctly). He did at least have enough common sense to stay on the trunk, not the branches. It was quite an amusing sight to look at the top of the tree and see the head of an orange cat where the angel used to be. Especially when he’d then give you one of his cutest meows. Dan Mahoney

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> Megan, > This may depend on where you live.  My sister lives in Ohio and gets > rabies vaccine every 3 years.  I live in Texas, and laws here require > rabies vaccine every year (even though the vaccine is supposed to > provide protection for 3 years, as you say).  My cat is an indoor-only > cat and I would like to avoid giving the vaccine any more often than the > protocols call for, but state law says otherwise.  I’ll check with my > vet again this year, in case there have been changes.

The law here also requires annual rabies vaccination. However, some vaccines are not indicated at all for indoor cats in closed households, and Cornell’s studies over twenty years showed that three years is a suitable revaccination interval in most cases. American vets tend to be a little slower in accepting this research, it seems. The best ones will perform titers to determine if the cat still has sufficient antibodies and therefore doesn’t require revaccination yet. The less enlightened simply push a plethora of vaccinations at yearly intervals. I can say from experience- if your vet is insistent on yearly boosters, look for a new vet. Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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> Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only > nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition > that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called > so I can’t look it up.

Hyperesthesia Syndrome http://www.purelypets.com/newsletter/september2001/felinehyperesthesi aNL.htm http://www.tica.org/vet/vet58.htm http://www.tica.org/vet/vet27.htm http://members.aol.com/paws2tails/private/columns/11_28_98.html http://webcenter.petplace.aol.com/articles/artShow.asp?artID=1991 Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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> One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily > for the last week. > First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very > quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his > body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking > it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From > looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person > pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.  I already ruled > out fleas; he doesn’t have them, and I use Frontline.  I thought maybe > mosquitos were biting him but I don’t see any around.  

That sounds like skin irritation/allergy to me. Is there any dandruff? Is the skin reddened? Laura — Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana. -Groucho Marx

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Our cat Molly has recently exhibited the same physical signs and behavior only nothing is new in our environement.  I have heard about an actual condition that covers the desciption of her actions, but I have no idea what it’s called so I can’t look it up. Perhaps Phil can assist here?

Hello, One of my cats has been repeating this odd behavior several times daily for the last week. First, his skin will twitch on his back, or his tail twitches very quickly almost as if he were in "fast-forward".  He’ll look around his body, maybe vigorously attack a spot on his back or stomach by licking it, and then he’ll dart off as if to run away from something.  From looking at him, it seems almost as if there’s an invisible person pricking him with a pin–that’s how he’s acting anyway.<<

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writes: >The only thing in his life that changed this week is that we got some new >oak furniture (he hid under the bed for half a day when it came–it’s not >normal for him to be so skittish).  He did stop hiding, though, started >exploring the new furniture, and seems okay with it now.  

This is no small event in a cat’s life.  New furniture is bigger than him, smells different, and changes his environment.  I once had a cat that was afraid of Christmas trees — I’d get a little 4-foot tree, and the cat would stay in the kitchen for the next day, terrified of the new object in the living room. It sounds like your cat is just getting used to the new furniture.  His licking himself is a sign of nervousness.  The racing around is probably nervousness, though cats also play by racing around.  He’s probably just adjusting to the new objects, which he doesn’t understand. I don’t think there’s anything to be worried about, quite frankly. Enjoy your new furniture! Daria Timing is everything.

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16-Year-Old Boy Gets Prozac in Mail Fri Jul 19, 7:57 PM ET By THERESA AGOVINO, AP Business Writer NEW YORK (AP) – A 16-year-old boy was among southern Florida residents who received unsolicited samples of the antidepressant drug Prozac in the mail in a much-criticized and highly unorthodox marketing campaign. "I was livid," said the boy’s mother, Sue Grinstead of Palm Beach. "My son knew enough not to take it, but what about the other kids?" A spokesman for the Walgreen Co. drugstore chain, Michael Polzin, confirmed the family’s account that a month’s supply of Prozac was sent to 16-year-old Michael Grinstead. He said the boy’s name was among others sent by a local doctors’ office to a Walgreen’s in Palm Beach with instructions to send them the drug samples. "We apologize to the patients who received the drug," Polzin said by telephone. He said there were so many names on the doctors’ list of intended recipients that the pharmacy called to doctors’ office to confirm the prescriptions before sending them out. The mailings already have prompted an invasion of privacy lawsuit by a 59-year-old woman who was among the recipients. Identified only by the initials S.K., she sued Eli Lilly & Co, which makes the drug, Walgreen Co, which sent it, and her doctors. Michael’s family has retained the same lawyer, Gary Farmer Jr., and plans to file a lawsuit alleging invasion of privacy and possible unauthorized practice of medicine. Under Florida law, it is illegal to prescribe a drug to a minor without consent of a parent or guardian. The Florida Attorney General has already issued subpoenas to Eli Lilly, Walgreen and S. K.’s doctors to determine if any state laws were broken. More could be issued if warranted, said John Newton, senior assistant attorney general in Florida. Eli Lilly has also apologized for the mailing, which it believes reached less than 150 people. The Indianapolis-based drug giant said the campaign was not an official promotion and it is trying to determine exactly who is responsible. Several Eli Lilly employees in Florida have been suspended with pay, the company said. The mailings at first appeared to target people who were already taking an antidepressant and who might then switch to Prozac. However, Michael’s mother said he had never been prescribed such a drug or even been treated for depression. The family had used a different pharmacy, an Eckerd store, not Walgreen’s. Farmer said the family is worried that Michael’s name was passed along in a customer list, but Eckerd spokeswoman Tami Alderman said patient names are not given to drug companies. "We are still trying to get to the bottom of what is going on," Farmer said. "But it looks like drug companies are taking marketing to a whole new level." Michael’s mother said the Prozac was accompanied by a letter from a doctor who is not their family’s primary physician but works in the same doctors’ group. The letter suggested switching to Prozac. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020719/ap_on_he_m…

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> 16-Year-Old Boy Gets Prozac in Mail

hi guys, to me this raises an interesting med-related idea and question: knowing everything you know now about meds and mental illness, and your -personal- experience with the mental health system as it is (dont care what you think if you dont take them) would you give these meds to your children (any psych meds) if they began showing symptoms of mental illness? what would you do if they did begin showing signs of mental illness? im curious. give reasons. why, why not? in my case, i would recommend them to my child (or to a friend or whatever too) but very cautiously….. i would recommend very strongly, with cautions. i would also keep a sharp lookout for symptoms and try interventive stuff first. how bout you? anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A spokesman for the Walgreen Co. drugstore chain, Michael Polzin, > confirmed the family’s account that a month’s supply of Prozac was > sent to 16-year-old Michael Grinstead. He said the boy’s name was > among others sent by a local doctors’ office to a Walgreen’s in Palm > Beach with instructions to send them the drug samples. > "We apologize to the patients who received the drug," Polzin said by > telephone. He said there were so many names on the doctors’ list of > intended recipients that the pharmacy called to doctors’ office to > confirm the prescriptions before sending them out. > The mailings already have prompted an invasion of privacy lawsuit by a > 59-year-old woman who was among the recipients. Identified only by the > initials S.K., she sued Eli Lilly & Co, which makes the drug, Walgreen > Co, which sent it, and her doctors. > Michael’s family has retained the same lawyer, Gary Farmer Jr., and > plans to file a lawsuit alleging invasion of privacy and possible > unauthorized practice of medicine. Under Florida law, it is illegal to > prescribe a drug to a minor without consent of a parent or guardian. > The Florida Attorney General has already issued subpoenas to Eli > Lilly, Walgreen and S. K.’s doctors to determine if any state laws > were broken. More could be issued if warranted, said John Newton, > senior assistant attorney general in Florida. > Eli Lilly has also apologized for the mailing, which it believes > reached less than 150 people. The Indianapolis-based drug giant said > the campaign was not an official promotion and it is trying to > determine exactly who is responsible. Several Eli Lilly employees in > Florida have been suspended with pay, the company said. > The mailings at first appeared to target people who were already > taking an antidepressant and who might then switch to Prozac. However, > Michael’s mother said he had never been prescribed such a drug or even > been treated for depression. > The family had used a different pharmacy, an Eckerd store, not > Walgreen’s. Farmer said the family is worried that Michael’s name was > passed along in a customer list, but Eckerd spokeswoman Tami Alderman > said patient names are not given to drug companies. > "We are still trying to get to the bottom of what is going on," Farmer > said. "But it looks like drug companies are taking marketing to a > whole new level." > Michael’s mother said the Prozac was accompanied by a letter from a > doctor who is not their family’s primary physician but works in the > same doctors’ group. The letter suggested switching to Prozac. > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020719/ap_on_he_m…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi guys, > to me this raises an interesting med-related idea and question: > knowing everything you know now about meds and mental illness, and your > -personal- experience with the mental health system as it is (dont care > what you think if you dont take them) would you give these meds to your > children (any psych meds) if they began showing symptoms of mental > illness? what would you do if they did begin showing signs of mental illness? > im curious. give reasons. why, why not? > in my case, i would recommend them to my child (or to a friend or > whatever too) but very cautiously….. i would recommend very strongly, > with cautions. i would also keep a sharp lookout for symptoms and try > interventive stuff first. > how bout you? > anna

I haven’t taken antipsychotics, so I can’t speak for that, but I have taken several antidepressants (Prozac, Wellbutrin, and Celexa.)  Prozac worked but it killed my creativity (I am an artist by trade.)   Wellbutrin worked but it certainly didn’t help me stop smoking (I have heard that it is prescribed for people trying to quit smoking.)  Celexa worked, but the withdrawals from Celexa are excruciating. Now, as for giving it to children – I don’t think so.  A child’s mind is still forming.  The drug may alter the child’s mind permanently, and it may not be in a direction that is positive for the long term.  For instance, if a 13 year old is depressed and acting out (and what child   DOESN’T go through a phase like that at some point,) drugs could be counterproductive, whereas simple therapy may take care of the problem. Antidepressants are VERY powerful drugs.  I had no idea HOW powerful until I tried to stop taking my Celexa.  The withdrawal symptoms got so bad I could not function at all.  I spoke to several other people and they experienced the same thing. While I do believe that antidepressants work, I think they should be prescribed much more carefully (and monitored much more carefully) than they currently are. And I would think long and hard before giving such a powerful drug to a child.   Just my opinion, of course.  :)

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A few weeks ago I started taking antidepressants The first one my GP recommended which was Ciprimil & if two or three days I felt better emotionally that I had for what seems like a very long time. BUT after taking them for two days I found I couldn’t reach an orgasam & I felt this may have a penalty that was a bit harsh so I tried another drug called Aurorex but that didnt seem to be anywhere as good as the Ciprimil. So then they tried me on Proza, they don’t seem to have helped at all. I am feeling very down at the moment & was sondering if I could possibly take a Ciprimil tomorrow with my Prosac & I that is not a good thing to do can I stop taking theProzac & start taking the Ciprimil again, despite the problem it causes me with sex, I’d give it a go for a while as it works so well. Many thanks Annie

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Most of the SSRI’s have what the doctors call sexual side effects (identical to your experience). It’s kind like being all dressed up and no place to go, HA! I use Wellbutrin as it is known to not have the same side effects as most of the others. To a certain extent, you need to outweigh the side effects vs the benefits. There were times when I was on Prozac that the sexual side effects were nothing compared to the depth of my depression. See what I mean. As I have been separated from my wife for 2 years and am just starting the divorce, these side effects are not an issue at this time. Do a search on the web under Prozac, Zoloft, wlllbutrin and the others and learn more about them. If you are sexually active, there are drugs that you can take that will not inconvenience you in this area. Good luck. Michael McCammon Portland, Oregon

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Aurorix (Moclobemide) does not have as many sexual side effects. YOu have to take it for more than a few days (3-6) weeks at a theraputic dose to find out if it works. Most ssri’s don’t really kick in till 3 weeks on most people. MrE.

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Chamomile Tea!

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Hi I am confused about how much fish oil Omega 3 capsules to take for mood stabilising effect.  You suggested taking 5 g twice a day. I have Omega 3 1000 mg capsules which contain 180mg EPA and 120 mg DHA, do I take 5 capsules of 1000 mg? Or do you calculate from EPA&DHA which one capsule only have 300 mg, so to take 5 g it must be 16-17 capsules??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Try 5g fish oil morning and night. You won’t believe how much it helps. > Jim Scannell

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> x-no-archive: yes > You can’t prevent mania with ‘relaxation techniques’. That’s pure > anti-medication propaganda. I suggest that if you were able to prevent > your ‘mania’ using relaxation techniques then your problem was mild > anxiety and not mania.

You certainly can prevent it with relaxation techniques.  In fact, you will want to tell everyone about this new incredible solution.  In fact, you may have been enlightenned by a divine power when you first thought of this technique.  Not only does it vanquish mania, it also removes your need for sleep or spending limits. Fun stuff. Tom

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when i do relaxation exercises i’d swear the effects are better than any drugs, they were certainly better than valium when i was really practised at them! bw m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yes relaxation exercises are wonderful! >its worth practising some relaxation exercises… they take a bit of >practise before you can really feel the benefits, but after a while i >could actually prevent a manic episode by using them :-) >hope you feel better soon >m >>Well, I&#8217;m trying to find ways of eliminate my depression without >>a risk of going manic. I previously went  manic with in 6 month of >>taking antidepressants. When the manic episode stopped I &#8216;d >>immediately switched to depression; so I&#8217;ve been on lithium and >>antidepressants. When I was better I tried to taper of antidepressants >>but my mood went down too. Now I&#8217;m not so depressed but I cannot >>function well. I&#8217;m inactive, indecisive and slow. I want to be >>out of this inertia but also afraid of mania as it&#8217;s very >>destructve. So I don&#8217;t like being on antidepressants for a long >>time. My manic episodes came suddenly often without upsetting event; >>so, I didn&#8217;t realise before hand. >>Pim

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Well, I&#8217;m trying to find ways of eliminate my depression without a risk of going manic. I previously went  manic with in 6 month of taking antidepressants. When the manic episode stopped I &#8216;d immediately switched to depression; so I&#8217;ve been on lithium and antidepressants. When I was better I tried to taper of antidepressants but my mood went down too. Now I&#8217;m not so depressed but I cannot function well. I&#8217;m inactive, indecisive and slow. I want to be out of this inertia but also afraid of mania as it&#8217;s very destructve. So I don&#8217;t like being on antidepressants for a long time. My manic episodes came suddenly often without upsetting event; so, I didn&#8217;t realise before hand. Pim

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Try 5g fish oil morning and night. You won’t believe how much it helps. Jim Scannell

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, I&#8217;m trying to find ways of eliminate my depression without > a risk of going manic. I previously went  manic with in 6 month of > taking antidepressants. When the manic episode stopped I &#8216;d > immediately switched to depression; so I&#8217;ve been on lithium and > antidepressants. When I was better I tried to taper of antidepressants > but my mood went down too. Now I&#8217;m not so depressed but I cannot > function well. I&#8217;m inactive, indecisive and slow. I want to be > out of this inertia but also afraid of mania as it&#8217;s very > destructve. So I don&#8217;t like being on antidepressants for a long > time. My manic episodes came suddenly often without upsetting event; > so, I didn&#8217;t realise before hand. > Pim

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its worth practising some relaxation exercises… they take a bit of practise before you can really feel the benefits, but after a while i could actually prevent a manic episode by using them :-) hope you feel better soon m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well, I&#8217;m trying to find ways of eliminate my depression without > a risk of going manic. I previously went  manic with in 6 month of > taking antidepressants. When the manic episode stopped I &#8216;d > immediately switched to depression; so I&#8217;ve been on lithium and > antidepressants. When I was better I tried to taper of antidepressants > but my mood went down too. Now I&#8217;m not so depressed but I cannot > function well. I&#8217;m inactive, indecisive and slow. I want to be > out of this inertia but also afraid of mania as it&#8217;s very > destructve. So I don&#8217;t like being on antidepressants for a long > time. My manic episodes came suddenly often without upsetting event; > so, I didn&#8217;t realise before hand. > Pim

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yeah, they’re brilliant… better than drugz too :-) )) m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yes relaxation exercises are wonderful! >its worth practising some relaxation exercises… they take a bit of >practise before you can really feel the benefits, but after a while i >could actually prevent a manic episode by using them :-) >hope you feel better soon >m >>Well, I&#8217;m trying to find ways of eliminate my depression without >>a risk of going manic. I previously went  manic with in 6 month of >>taking antidepressants. When the manic episode stopped I &#8216;d >>immediately switched to depression; so I&#8217;ve been on lithium and >>antidepressants. When I was better I tried to taper of antidepressants >>but my mood went down too. Now I&#8217;m not so depressed but I cannot >>function well. I&#8217;m inactive, indecisive and slow. I want to be >>out of this inertia but also afraid of mania as it&#8217;s very >>destructve. So I don&#8217;t like being on antidepressants for a long >>time. My manic episodes came suddenly often without upsetting event; >>so, I didn&#8217;t realise before hand. >>Pim

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>Chewy is my best friend.  He’s the one person I can count on to be >there for me, no matter what’s going on in my head.  He’s the one who >stands by me through it all.

I bet there was romance at some point.

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>There’s always hope, a flower can grow in the crack of pavement in >harlem. It’s nice you have somebody.

I thought it was crack will always flower in Harlem?

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yes, i think that friendship is very important… im glad you have that :-) … my experience has hurt me badly, especially recently, its been a big part of this breakdown :’(((… m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > My wife and I had lots of romance when we married and for many years > after. Now after 22 years I look back and see how friendship has > slowly replaced romance. Unfortunately meds have helped that along, my > libido is tiny compared to what it was, but the fact that we have > become good friends has helped take the place of that lose and raising > kids makes it so hectic that we don’t have much time together. We > still try though. > Wish your experiences had been better. > xp > of this: > <me too almost the same story happened to me :-( (( > < > < > <>>Maybe I’m better off finding a male friend and marrying him instead > of trying that > <>>stupid romance game which so far turns out to be a fool’s errand. > who’s dumb idea > <>>was romantic love anyway. > <> > <> > <> Ouch. I’m almost as bitter as you. > <>

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> Naturally cuddly? I’ve heard "big boned", but never that one.

When I say naturally cuddly, I mean a healthy weight, as opposed to obese. — Regards, .

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>Chewy is my best friend.  He’s the one person I can count on to be >there for me, no matter what’s going on in my head.  He’s the one who >stands by me through it all.

I bet there was romance at some point.

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ROFL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>yeah… my ex-boyfriend used to say ‘dont ever change, i like you like >>>you are’… i’ve noticed most guys i’ve met seem to like women who have >>>a .. erm… womanly figure ;-) …. well, marilyn monroe was a size 14-16… >>Yup, men want women-like figures to cuddle, not men-like figures (unless >>they’re gay). >Huh? I’d nail Callista Flockhart.. > You might miss unless you took careful aim :-)

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me too almost the same story happened to me :-( (( – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Maybe I’m better off finding a male friend and marrying him instead of trying that >stupid romance game which so far turns out to be a fool’s errand.  who’s dumb idea >was romantic love anyway. > Ouch. I’m almost as bitter as you.

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>>Chewy is my best friend.  He’s the one person I can count on to be >there for me, no matter what’s going on in my head.  He’s the one who >stands by me through it all. >I bet there was romance at some point.

There still is romance.  But there’s way more than romance.  The romance comes and goes, in any romantic relationship.  You have to have respect and friendship to hold you over during the times that the romance is low.   Without that respect and friendship, you can’t have real love. Kitten You can always tell a Texan, but you can’t tell him much.  - Chris Wall Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix.  It doesn’t come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline.  From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. — Ty Murray

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Chewy is my best friend.  He’s the one person I can count on to be >>there for me, no matter what’s going on in my head.  He’s the one who >>stands by me through it all. >I bet there was romance at some point. > There still is romance.  But there’s way more than romance.  The > romance comes and goes, in any romantic relationship.  You have to > have respect and friendship to hold you over during the times that the > romance is low.   Without that respect and friendship, you can’t have > real love.

Got to agree….met my hubby when we were both freshmen in high school, and we were best friends the first year, began dating the second, and when we got married two years after graduation, our friends said, "About dang time!".  Last Feb was our 16th anniversary.  Because of "Uncle Sam", we figure that in those 16 years, he has been home for about 13 of them, and for only 4 actual anniversaries…but <cross fingers> he has yet to miss a Thanksgiving or a Christmas… — Buny —–" Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus —– One Size does NOT fit all; Heck, one size don’t even fit MOST!

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<snipped> >raising kids makes it so hectic that we don’t have much time together. We >still try though.

xp, that’s one of the things Chewy and I found out abt long before we met each other.  We try really hard to have time for just us.  But life *still* gets in the way a lot of times. Kitten You can always tell a Texan, but you can’t tell him much.  - Chris Wall Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix.  It doesn’t come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline.  From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. — Ty Murray

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It’s not worth wasting your time on a guy who has sexual attractiveness as a priority. All women should be highly suspicious of the integrity of any man who is attracted physically to her. The number one clue to emotional maturity is impulse control. That includes the sexual impulse. Sexual attraction is no different than alcohol, drugs, anger or even food when it comes to impulse control. We all get sexual impulses but mature people have control over them, they are not controlled by them. I know I am touching on a touchy subject (impulse control in a manic-depressive newsgroup) but I am referring to your choices for a mate. Do not further complicate your life with someone who has no impulse control. It is worth the wait to find someone less superficial. BTW, proper nutrition is usually essential before impulse control can be expected. Starting with 5g fish oil twice a day and cutting out saturated fats you will see an improvement in about 2 weeks. Read "Your Miracle Brain" for supporting evidence and further nutritional advice. Jim Scannell

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> yeah… my ex-boyfriend used to say ‘dont ever change, i like you like > >> you are’… i’ve noticed most guys i’ve met seem to like women who have > >> a .. erm… womanly figure ;-) …. well, marilyn monroe was a size 14-16… > >Yup, men want women-like figures to cuddle, not men-like figures (unless > >they’re gay). > No wonder I’m having no luck with guys.  I’m not very woman-like even though I am > one.  I’m also straight which means I might as well just give up on this nonsense > and get on with it.  My boy friend dumped me so I figure what a waste of time to > chase anyone.  I mean they are a damn nuisance when you catch them anyway. > I thought this was going to be ok shows how little I know about intimate > relationships.  Heck with it you screw for a while then he gets bored with you and > dumps you after you fall hopelessly in love with him.  So forget it I say you are > better off without the headache altogether.  Never mind it.  Maybe I’m the sort > that should never fall in love with anyone.  I tried not to this time but couldn’t > help it.  Then I was trapped I finally admitted it to myself and stopped trying to > fight it.  Look what happened this time.  I say never take it seriously and > whenever you start falling for someone I figure I shouldn’t.  The last two boy > friends I had were losers so that means I attract them for some reason. So that > means any guy who comes on to me from the beginning isn’t worth the trouble at > all. > Maybe I’m better off finding a male friend and marrying him instead of trying that > stupid romance game which so far turns out to be a fool’s errand.  who’s dumb idea > was romantic love anyway. > Huh? I’d nail Callista Flockhart..

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<snipped> >Maybe I’m better off finding a male friend and marrying him instead of trying that >stupid romance game which so far turns out to be a fool’s errand.  who’s dumb idea >was romantic love anyway.

Hey, don’t knock the romance.  But you’re right abt finding a male friend to marry.  The *best* marriages are between friends.  Romance is wonderful, but it ebbs and flows.  That’s just the natural course of things.  What holds you during those down times on the romance is the fact that you’re married to your best friend. Chewy is my best friend.  He’s the one person I can count on to be there for me, no matter what’s going on in my head.  He’s the one who stands by me through it all. How can you truly love someone who isn’t all that? Kitten You can always tell a Texan, but you can’t tell him much.  - Chris Wall Courage, Real courage, is no quick fix.  It doesn’t come in a bottle or a pill, It comes from discipline.  From taking everything life hands you and being your best either because of it or in spite of it. — Ty Murray

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> >Maybe I’m better off finding a male friend and marrying him instead of trying that >stupid romance game which so far turns out to be a fool’s errand.  who’s dumb idea >was romantic love anyway. > Hey, don’t knock the romance.  But you’re right abt finding a male > friend to marry.  The *best* marriages are between friends.  

You’re right, I think it’s gotta be both. Even when there are kids in the picture, and your life seems too hectic for romance, you need to have adult time where you strengthen the bond. Tom

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> No wonder I’m having no luck with guys.  

I should have qualified what I said; I think women who are naturally slim are no less attractive than those who are naturally cuddly. > I’m not very woman-like even though I am > one.  I’m also straight which means I might as well just give up on this nonsense > and get on with it.  My boy friend dumped me so I figure what a waste of time to > chase anyone.  I mean they are a damn nuisance when you catch them anyway.

LOL yup. > I thought this was going to be ok shows how little I know about intimate > relationships.  Heck with it you screw for a while then he gets bored with you and > dumps you after you fall hopelessly in love with him.  So forget it I say you are > better off without the headache altogether.  Never mind it.  Maybe I’m the sort > that should never fall in love with anyone.  I tried not to this time but couldn’t > help it.  Then I was trapped I finally admitted it to myself and stopped trying to > fight it.  Look what happened this time.  I say never take it seriously and > whenever you start falling for someone I figure I shouldn’t.  The last two boy > friends I had were losers so that means I attract them for some reason.  So that > means any guy who comes on to me from the beginning isn’t worth the trouble at > all. > Maybe I’m better off finding a male friend and marrying him instead of trying that > stupid romance game which so far turns out to be a fool’s errand.  who’s dumb idea > was romantic love anyway.

Ouch. I’m almost as bitter as you. — Regards, .

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>No wonder I’m having no luck with guys.  I’m not very woman-like even though I am >one.  I’m also straight which means I might as well just give up on this nonsense >and get on with it.  My boy friend dumped me so I figure what a waste of time to >chase anyone.  I mean they are a damn nuisance when you catch them anyway.

What do you mean by "not very woman-like"?

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>> No wonder I’m having no luck with guys.   >I should have qualified what I said; I think women who are naturally >slim are no less attractive than those who are naturally cuddly.

Naturally cuddly? I’ve heard "big boned", but never that one.

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saw pdoc today and have stopped my valproate… argh only mood stabilisers that cause weight gain are approved for use in the uk, lamictal and topamax arent… and i’m just starting to gain weight, despite being mildly anorexic/bulimic over the last couple of months… i have body dysmorphic disorder and i told her if i carry on taking these things i am going to flush them down the loo … even the slightest weight gain and i am suicidally depressed…. so im thinking of joining the anti med campaign after today…. heh m

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> and i’m just starting to gain weight, despite being mildly > anorexic/bulimic over the last couple of months…

Most people would agree that a healthy weight looks far more attractive than a very slim build. — Regards, .

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hmm… sounds like topamax is the better option… i know lamictal has that scary rash thingy… and i dont want more activation, i still have antidepressants which i have to keep an eye on for that…. hmm, maybe its just a case of finding a doc that will prescribe it for me ;-) thanx :-) m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Topamax

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Pim: I heard about Omega 3(both with EPA 180mg& DHA180mg) on TBN one day and investigated into the information first. Note: Omega 6 is different. It stated that it lessens stress, heart attacks, improves concentration and evidence of helping depression which I have. Yup, I think it’s been helpful. I’m taking welbrutrin twice a day and only one capsule(salmon oil )a day.  I feel less bouts of major depression and I’m studying for Micorsoft Certification Exams(7 total) and  it’s helps with my concentration. While results will differ, just like meds do for each person, it’s worth a try. gem

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I&#8217;ve seen 1000 mg Salmon Oil at the chemist&#8217;s. If it need to take only one 1000 mg capsule per day, it&#8217;d be fine. The reseach paper said 9.6 grams per day which I thought it &#8216;s meant taking like 9-10 of 1000 mg capsules&#8212;rather a lot. Pim

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Where can I buy 6&9 & what is it called. I dont use Health food stores as CNN reported impurties in the products. I go to major drug chains now as they run test. I got info from a drugest you have to take these products 3 Hrs away from meds true

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi > Thank you, Gem.I wonder how many Salmon Oil 1000 capsules do you take > each day? Do you take antidepressants as well? Do you think the Omega > 3s have been helpful to you? How long have you been taken them? > Pim

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Harvard did a study two years ago on Omega three in sort of a clinical trial comparing Omega 3 and olive oil placebo–omega 3 was 80% effective (which is comparable to most AD’s in effectiveness) but they used 10,000 mg a day which IS the equivilent of 10 pills a day–since they come in 1000mg capsules.  I am not sure how they came up with that dosage–but if you break it up to 3,3,4 capsules at meals it seems less than you might think initially.  I have heard many claim great success. gemini

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Hi I’ve been taken 5 capsules of 1000mg (EPA 180mg, DHA 120mg)fish oil for a week. I notice I have very red lips–more than usual. Do I need to be concerned over this? Pim

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I have Major depression and take Omega 3. My shrink recommended it for me. 1 st there are two parts to Omega 3, EPA & DHA 2 nd this is good colesterol like olive oil. If you take a colesterol test after taking Omega 3 your colesterol will be very high. But the fact is in America we use a lot of butter, while in Europe they use a lot of olive oil. They have a lot less heart attacts, cancer and it have also been proven to help your brain. We all know fish (which has a lot of oil) is good for you, but how many people can eat fish every day. I use the "Salmon Oil 1000" from GNC, it has in each capsule 180 mg EPA & 125 mg DHA. gem

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has anyone had good experience taking Omega 3 oil? Is 9.6 g./day not > such a lot to take? I read from Dr. Stoll’s reseach report; as the > sample studied was so small,I’m not so convinced.  But I’d like to > hear from people with bipolar disorders who have actually taken them. > Thanks. > Pim

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Has anyone had good experience taking Omega 3 oil? Is 9.6 g./day not such a lot to take? I read from Dr. Stoll’s reseach report; as the sample studied was so small,I’m not so convinced.  But I’d like to hear from people with bipolar disorders who have actually taken them. Thanks. Pim

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Hi Thank you, Gem.I wonder how many Salmon Oil 1000 capsules do you take each day? Do you take antidepressants as well? Do you think the Omega 3s have been helpful to you? How long have you been taken them? Pim

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